American Airlines: Time for labor deals dwindling

[strikeforce]

If AA wants labor contract "fast", they need to negotiate in good faith.

the pilots negotiations is a good barometer for AA reaching "consentual agreements" with labor. After reading Capt. Bates' latest update, it appears the pilots will have their day in court. This whole negotiating process has been orchastrated by AA to appear consentual.......but, it's far from the truth. AA, as a company, is treading in dangerous waters if they think that shoving something down our throats will lead to higher productivity and better relations with labor. You may be seeing Eastern Airlines all over again. If it's in management's BK plan to fight labor.......they will LOSE!

 

[strikeforce]

And, let just add that something down deep inside tells me that AA ultimate plan is to "lock out" certain employees. I have a gut feeling that this company has been buying time for a reason. The company's intention is clear......abrogation of the agreements. And, with that, they can lock out employees if they wish!

 

[DNTULSA]

How much time is left to get this labor deal done?

DNTULSA

 

[strikeforce]

How much time is left to get this labor deal done?

DNTULSA

only american airlines knows how much time!

 

[FWAAA]

And, let just add that something down deep inside tells me that AA ultimate plan is to "lock out" certain employees. I have a gut feeling that this company has been buying time for a reason. The company's intention is clear......abrogation of the agreements. And, with that, they can lock out employees if they wish!

I don't think that's correct. Employees cannot exercise self-help if their contract is abrogated (see NW AFA case); similarly, the employer would also be prohibited from exercising self-help other than imposing their last offer.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I don't think that's correct. Employees cannot exercise self-help if their contract is abrogated (see NW AFA case); similarly, the employer would also be prohibited from exercising self-help other than imposing their last offer.

That is basically right although maybe not technically correct. The NW AFA case never went beyond the Appeals Court AFAIK. Appeals Court rulings are binding on District Courts in that Circuit, but not in other Circuits. But I have no idea what Circuit the AFA case was in.

Jim

 

[FWAAA]

True, but the NW AFA case was decided by the Second Circuit, which covers NYC, same as the AA bankruptcy.

 

[WorldTraveler]

And, let just add that something down deep inside tells me that AA ultimate plan is to "lock out" certain employees. I have a gut feeling that this company has been buying time for a reason. The company's intention is clear......abrogation of the agreements. And, with that, they can lock out employees if they wish!

while the term "lock out" is probably not correct from a legal standpoint because it does have a legal meaning which as noted probably cannot occur, they will have increasingly greater freedom to impose their terms which will include the right eliminate scope and job protection provisions.

 

[Mach85ER]

while the term "lock out" is probably not correct from a legal standpoint because it does have a legal meaning which as noted probably cannot occur, they will have increasingly greater freedom to impose their terms which will include the right eliminate scope and job protection provisions.

Note that that freedom won't come without the threat from resprisals despite what the RLA brochures advertise 😉

 

[TWU informer]

Can you say EASTERN?

 

[787nightmare]

I see many, MANY unhappy employees ahead...those that get to stay employed around here.
Like so many have said, this is going to be ugly.
Calm before the storm.

 

[eolesen]

Note that that freedom won't come without the threat from resprisals despite what the RLA brochures advertise 😉

Well, APA has been fined big bucks for contempt of court before, so they should know what it's like to violate a court order....

And yes, I have no doubt reprisals can and would be construed to constitute contempt of court.... By filing this latest challenge, they've probably pissed away a lot of good will that the judge might have shown when it comes time to rule on whether or not the company had engaged in good faith bargaining.

 

[strikeforce]

Well, APA has been fined big bucks for contempt of court before, so they should know what it's like to violate a court order....

And yes, I have no doubt reprisals can and would be construed to constitute contempt of court.... By filing this latest challenge, they've probably pissed away a lot of good will that the judge might have shown when it comes time to rule on whether or not the company had engaged in good faith bargaining.

AA pissed away a lot of good will with employees in 2003 and 2012!

Management just doesn't get it!!!

 

[TWU informer]

AA pissed away a lot of good will with employees in 2003 and 2012!

Management just doesn't get it!!!

But the Consulting Firms advised this would be the right path.

 

[Buck]

But the Consulting Firms advised this would be the right path.

Can the company take the Consulting Firms to court to recover the loss from bad advise?

Better yet, can the unions sue to recover from the promises of 2003?