American Airlines: Time for labor deals dwindling

[AA89]

Can the company take the Consulting Firms to court to recover the loss from bad advise?

Better yet, can the unions sue to recover from the promises of 2003?

Since we are fantasizing, can we sue the knuckleheads at our 3 unions for not getting those "promises" in writing? Really, the company didn't promise anything except to use our concessions to stay out of BK at that time. There was no timetable for snapbacks. There was no language to prevent excessive pay to executives.
So we all kept our jobs/pensions for another 9 years. The unions had dues coming in and the executives made their money. And we all learned a lesson about big business.

 

[787nightmare]

Since we are fantasizing, can we sue the knuckleheads at our 3 unions for not getting those "promises" in writing? Really, the company didn't promise anything except to use our concessions to stay out of BK at that time. There was no timetable for snapbacks. There was no language to prevent excessive pay to executives.
So we all kept our jobs/pensions for another 9 years. The unions had dues coming in and the executives made their money. And we all learned a lesson about big business.

X2 ^^^ this.

 

[Mach85ER]

Well, APA has been fined big bucks for contempt of court before, so they should know what it's like to violate a court order....

And yes, I have no doubt reprisals can and would be construed to constitute contempt of court.... By filing this latest challenge, they've probably pissed away a lot of good will that the judge might have shown when it comes time to rule on whether or not the company had engaged in good faith bargaining.

Whether this legal move aggravates the Judge or is out of line is well above our legal heads.

As for the actions of the pilot group, AMR's action of dramatically going for a long term kill and voiding a half century of collective bargaining with the pilot group is going to have a major pushback that APA will not be able to control. In civilian flying on a smaller scale, it wasn't uncommon to see pilot groups threaten or even walk out in the face of draconian safety and pay moves of lesser degree than what AMR has proposed. The RLA is being used as a goverment hammer on the level of Chavez/Castro/Jong IL.

I wonder what TRO AMR is going to come up with after APA starts a pilot leasing agency and farms out 300 widebody Captains worldwide with a July 1 seperation date? Maybe Star and Skyteam members will join in the bidding. <_<

 

[BoeingBoy]

I wonder what TRO AMR is going to come up with after APA starts a pilot leasing agency and farms out 300 widebody Captains worldwide with a July 1 seperation date?

If that were possible someone would have done it long before now...

Actually TWA came closest by providing pilots to Saudia, but Saudia at that time adopted TWA policy/procedures so it was both legal and simple.

Jim

 

[chris perry]

And, let just add that something down deep inside tells me that AA ultimate plan is to "lock out" certain employees. I have a gut feeling that this company has been buying time for a reason. The company's intention is clear......abrogation of the agreements. And, with that, they can lock out employees if they wish!

It wouldn't surprise me a bit to be locked out.They have installed at least 30 or so cameras put in the hangers at DFW.Plus installed locks on the admin offices...I'm taking my toolbox home.

 

[FrequentFlierCA]

I'm not sure I see how a lockout would benefit anyone. I think what AA wants are the work rule changes it has been asking for during the last several years of negotiations. The only thing that's changed with the bankruptcy is that their negotiating position is a lot stronger, and the union's a lot weaker.

 

[strikeforce]

If that were possible someone would have done it long before now...

Actually TWA came closest by providing pilots to Saudia, but Saudia at that time adopted TWA policy/procedures so it was both legal and simple.

Jim

I think Mach has come up with the ultimate solution. Sort of like the construction unions that provide their members employment. Today you work for AA and next week UA. create one union for mechanics, F/A's and pilots. It definitely wouldn't be in violation of the RLA.

 

[TWU informer]

I think Mach has come up with the ultimate solution. Sort of like the construction unions that provide their members employment. Today you work for AA and next week UA. create one union for mechanics, F/A's and pilots. It definitely wouldn't be in violation of the RLA.

Interesting idea!

 

[strikeforce]

Interesting idea!

the question becomes how to get a single union up and running. I know one thing.....it's definitely NOT going to be the TWU, IAM, IBT for mechanics. And, wasn't AMFA trying to do this for the amt's?? except that AMFA would be your employer instead of the airlines. It can be done! So, which one of us wants to get this thing going?? I'm all in!
USAMT Staffing Agency?????

 

[AANOTOK]

create one union for mechanics, F/A's and pilots. It definitely wouldn't be in violation of the RLA.

Good Luck! 🙄

 

[john john]

I think Mach has come up with the ultimate solution. Sort of like the construction unions that provide their members employment. Today you work for AA and next week UA. create one union for mechanics, F/A's and pilots. It definitely wouldn't be in violation of the RLA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seafarers_International_Union_of_North_America
Seafarers International Union


Comes to mind I have family and friends in the union

They wonder at the whipsawing of the airline company’s and unions

 

[Buck]

I think Mach has come up with the ultimate solution. Sort of like the construction unions that provide their members employment. Today you work for AA and next week UA. create one union for mechanics, F/A's and pilots. It definitely wouldn't be in violation of the RLA.

And Fleet Service, Stores, Facilities, etc.?

 

[strikeforce]

And Fleet Service, Stores, Facilities, etc.?

Facilities, Plant and Auto shop are part of the M&R group. Let's stick with our profession first.

 

[strikeforce]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seafarers_International_Union_of_North_America
Seafarers International Union


Comes to mind I have family and friends in the union

Exactly!

The labor organization provides professional services.....no facilities or parts.

The Professional Aircraft Maintenance Services Organization or "PAMSO"

 

[eolesen]

I think Mach has come up with the ultimate solution. Sort of like the construction unions that provide their members employment. Today you work for AA and next week UA. create one union for mechanics, F/A's and pilots. It definitely wouldn't be in violation of the RLA.

Not a violation of the RLA, but it might cause some issues with the FAA regarding training compliance. It's hard enough for some people to be in compliance with AA's procedures... can you imagine trying to stay current on two or three carriers?....