American management and unions meet about possible merger
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Based on a fleet comparison, Continental would be the best fit. Add in from the twu side that they would finally get to "mis"represent Continental's rampers after spending millions of our dues money just to lose elections time and time again, I'm sure they would buy off on that one.
They are still working on the TWA merger 7 years later, another 3 or 4 years and they might get some "integration" but not if the pilots union has anything to do with it.
TIME FOR CHANGE
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Ken MacTiernan
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AA has people out on furlough from the last merger / acquisition / purchase / rape - whatever you want to call it. Do you really believe AA will get any support from any union or government official for another merger / acquisition / purchase / rape?
You are joking, I hope.
Please ......... don't put another group of employees through what you put the former TWA people through.
It's unethicAAl.
You are joking, I hope.
Please ......... don't put another group of employees through what you put the former TWA people through.
It's unethicAAl.
Who cares? The last one almost put us out of business so I'm fairly certain the next one would probably finish the job.
No thanks. Let everyone else go first this time.
BigMac
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Lemme get this right.. We are selling off eagle and merging w/ ***** ?
Here we go again..Part 2
Get ready for new "workin together" ballcaps, an expansion on the new Union hall building, Snake shirts and a kick in the a$$ out the door. AGAIN !
Here we go again..Part 2
Get ready for new "workin together" ballcaps, an expansion on the new Union hall building, Snake shirts and a kick in the a$$ out the door. AGAIN !
Nor'Easta
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YES!
Have you heard the term?
Money talks, bull***t walks!
My money is on CO.
IMHO,...Time to take this Article(posted by FWAAA) SERIOUS.
Dealing strictly with Facts here;
They ADMIT that they MET, and TALKED with a GAG order in place. To me, that spells SERIOUS,(would,nt you Agree) ??
That TELLS ME, that AA's FIRST reaction to this genuine Merger Mania, IS TO "ACT", and not sit Idly by(Would'nt you agree) ???
Though I can't prove it, It would be a "safe bet" I feel, that every LLC'er would be recalled before any deal went down(and probably the ones that "fell off" the books also), because as some one above pointed out, they would'nt want to go before the FEDS with "that" hanging over their heads !!
Yes, ...obviously the APA/APFA expressed doubt, due to "9/11", which Impacted TWA, but that does NOT PROVE that those Unions would NOT play along, if a GOOD deal presented itself.
(Notice I left out the TWU.....Because the TWU is the same as AA :down: )
Now on to the "possibilities"
UA/DL/CO/NW/WN/US/AS/.....(I doubt Jet Blue/Air Tran/Midwest and Frontier would be SERIOUS contenders)
So,..........Here goes;
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UA...................Too BIG, Feds would NEVER sign off on it.....so SCRATCH UAL(though from MY perspective, I'd love to see it. That way .."donttouchthebeauty" and I would be routing for the same team.
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DL.....................Brings NOTHING to AA's table !....................SCRATCH DL !
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CO....................Possible.(lets set them aside for a moment)
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"BIG RED".............POSSIBLE...(GOD I only WISH...RIGHT FWAAA !)...(Lets set them aside for a moment)
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WN.......................POSSIBLE(HIGHLY UNLIKELY...BUT POSSIBLE)...(lets set them aside for a moment)
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LCC........................"N F W " !!...(AA would do a deal with AMTRAK First)
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AS...........................POSSIBLE..............(lets set them aside for a Moment)
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BA............................POSSIBLE................(Lets set them aside for a moment)
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In Summary (Sub Total-1);
NW-CO-WN-AS-BA
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BA.................TOO MUCH UNKNOWN HERE(maybe a few years down the road)...........SCRATCH BA !
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AS..................STILL A POSSIBILITY.(But behind NW-CO-WN).......................SCRATCH AS (FOR NOW)
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WN..................POSSIBLE.(Plenty of 737's, but all domestic)(longshot at best)..(SCRATCH WN)
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NW or CO.. ??
Up to now, I've applied pure LOGIC to the FACT, I repeat FACT, that AA has Signaled That It's first Instinct is to not sit Idly by !!!!
With CO, you get MUCHO 767/757 and relatively soon 787, plus A/E could fly ALL of AA + CO regional needs(since CO jettisoned CO/EXP)
BIG RED,....You get ASIA-ASIA-ASIA, plus Early 787's.
1. AA makes a HIGHER(False Bid) for NW, to drive up the $$$ on DL. Something AA is famous for, OR they Actually go after NW. But as we see now, NW brings "baggage", meaning the MSP/Minneapolis $$$ "responsibility/Wrong a/c types/Incompatable HUBS to ORD, and a VERY senior heavily Unionized work force.
In comparison, CO(after DL results in NW not having veto power over CO) brings in NON-UNION RAMP/AGENT/RES work forces, a KILLER EWR HUB/(bye-bye CLE....IAH a Focus city)
Though WN/AS and BA "Might be" possibilities, USING PURE LOGIC, and MOST IMPORTANTLY the "FACT" that AA "talked" to it's Unions,..........and "FACT", that AA + CO HAD Management discussions,...It's APPARENTLY CLEAR that as FWAAA pointed out a few day ago, Continental makes THE MOST sense !
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Respectfully,
NH/BB's
Dealing strictly with Facts here;
They ADMIT that they MET, and TALKED with a GAG order in place. To me, that spells SERIOUS,(would,nt you Agree) ??
That TELLS ME, that AA's FIRST reaction to this genuine Merger Mania, IS TO "ACT", and not sit Idly by(Would'nt you agree) ???
Though I can't prove it, It would be a "safe bet" I feel, that every LLC'er would be recalled before any deal went down(and probably the ones that "fell off" the books also), because as some one above pointed out, they would'nt want to go before the FEDS with "that" hanging over their heads !!
Yes, ...obviously the APA/APFA expressed doubt, due to "9/11", which Impacted TWA, but that does NOT PROVE that those Unions would NOT play along, if a GOOD deal presented itself.
(Notice I left out the TWU.....Because the TWU is the same as AA :down: )
Now on to the "possibilities"
UA/DL/CO/NW/WN/US/AS/.....(I doubt Jet Blue/Air Tran/Midwest and Frontier would be SERIOUS contenders)
So,..........Here goes;
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
UA...................Too BIG, Feds would NEVER sign off on it.....so SCRATCH UAL(though from MY perspective, I'd love to see it. That way .."donttouchthebeauty" and I would be routing for the same team.
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
DL.....................Brings NOTHING to AA's table !....................SCRATCH DL !
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CO....................Possible.(lets set them aside for a moment)
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"BIG RED".............POSSIBLE...(GOD I only WISH...RIGHT FWAAA !)...(Lets set them aside for a moment)
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WN.......................POSSIBLE(HIGHLY UNLIKELY...BUT POSSIBLE)...(lets set them aside for a moment)
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LCC........................"N F W " !!...(AA would do a deal with AMTRAK First)
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AS...........................POSSIBLE..............(lets set them aside for a Moment)
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BA............................POSSIBLE................(Lets set them aside for a moment)
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In Summary (Sub Total-1);
NW-CO-WN-AS-BA
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BA.................TOO MUCH UNKNOWN HERE(maybe a few years down the road)...........SCRATCH BA !
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AS..................STILL A POSSIBILITY.(But behind NW-CO-WN).......................SCRATCH AS (FOR NOW)
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WN..................POSSIBLE.(Plenty of 737's, but all domestic)(longshot at best)..(SCRATCH WN)
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NW or CO.. ??
Up to now, I've applied pure LOGIC to the FACT, I repeat FACT, that AA has Signaled That It's first Instinct is to not sit Idly by !!!!
With CO, you get MUCHO 767/757 and relatively soon 787, plus A/E could fly ALL of AA + CO regional needs(since CO jettisoned CO/EXP)
BIG RED,....You get ASIA-ASIA-ASIA, plus Early 787's.
1. AA makes a HIGHER(False Bid) for NW, to drive up the $$$ on DL. Something AA is famous for, OR they Actually go after NW. But as we see now, NW brings "baggage", meaning the MSP/Minneapolis $$$ "responsibility/Wrong a/c types/Incompatable HUBS to ORD, and a VERY senior heavily Unionized work force.
In comparison, CO(after DL results in NW not having veto power over CO) brings in NON-UNION RAMP/AGENT/RES work forces, a KILLER EWR HUB/(bye-bye CLE....IAH a Focus city)
Though WN/AS and BA "Might be" possibilities, USING PURE LOGIC, and MOST IMPORTANTLY the "FACT" that AA "talked" to it's Unions,..........and "FACT", that AA + CO HAD Management discussions,...It's APPARENTLY CLEAR that as FWAAA pointed out a few day ago, Continental makes THE MOST sense !
?????????????????????
Respectfully,
NH/BB's
Do you think the meeting was called by labor or management? Given the proximity of the timing to the rumored DL/NW announcement and the new concept of "pre-ratification" of mergers by labor, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that this meeting was called by AA's various labor groups as a "me too" reminder.
This could be an interesting area for value exchange in the next round of contracts.
This could be an interesting area for value exchange in the next round of contracts.
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