Amfa Opens Election/transition Headquarters

[Thrustfuljet]

quote by twuer

I appreciate the response Thrustful, but are you saying that we don't have the right to fight against a vote the way is amfa is fighting to get it to a vote?

If the NMB says there will be a vote then there is nothing we can do to stop that. What we are doing is attempting to keep it from going that far. Are you (amfa) condeming us for defending our union?

I did not say you didn't have the right to fight the vote, just that in my mind a true democratic union would have no problem with a vote.

It would also like to think bringing it to a vote would help to bring us all back together and work together.

 

[Thrustfuljet]

also would like to add that I hope everyone show up Saturday for the grand opening!

 

[twuer]

quote by twuer

I appreciate the response Thrustful, but are you saying that we don't have the right to fight against a vote the way is amfa is fighting to get it to a vote?

If the NMB says there will be a vote then there is nothing we can do to stop that. What we are doing is attempting to keep it from going that far. Are you (amfa) condeming us for defending our union?

I did not say you didn't have the right to fight the vote, just that in my mind a true democratic union would have no problem with a vote.

It would also like to think bringing it to a vote would help to bring us all back together and work together.

You seem to think that we are being undemocratic with our drive to fight against amfa and having a vote. It is not the "vote" we are against, it is amfa. We are doing nothing different than what is done in elections througout this great country all the time. We will do what we feel is necessary to keep amfa from winning. That means we will fight to the end, protest them and open up cans of worms on them to achieve our objective. We have done nothing wrong or illegal in our actions.

It would also like to think bringing it to a vote would help to bring us all back together and work together.

Im afraid I can't agree with you on this one Thrustful. As much as I would like this to happen I'm afraid that a vote will not accomplish this. AMFA has their believers and TWU has theirs. I am willing to do my part but there is already so much separation that it will take nothing short of a miracle to bring both sides together. We have different philosophies of what is better for our profession. I wish it could be dfiffernt for the sake of the "union" and it's members but a lot of damage has occurred. It's hard to fix. . .

Enjoy your hotdog lunch on Saturday. . .

 

[Rusty]

You seem to think that we are being undemocratic with our drive to fight against amfa and having a vote. It is not the "vote" we are against, it is amfa. We are doing nothing different than what is done in elections througout this great country all the time. We will do what we feel is necessary to keep amfa from winning. That means we will fight to the end, protest them and open up cans of worms on them to achieve our objective. We have done nothing wrong or illegal in our actions.

Why not sign a voting authorization card so that you can be sure the membership's majority rights will be found in our Craft and Class?

Only self-interests will be found without a vote but, that is the typical mindset of the twu advocates.

 

[Bob Owens]

quote by twuer

I appreciate the response Thrustful, but are you saying that we don't have the right to fight against a vote the way is amfa is fighting to get it to a vote?

If the NMB says there will be a vote then there is nothing we can do to stop that. What we are doing is attempting to keep it from going that far. Are you (amfa) condeming us for defending our union?

I did not say you didn't have the right to fight the vote, just that in my mind a true democratic union would have no problem with a vote.

It would also like to think bringing it to a vote would help to bring us all back together and work together.

You seem to think that we are being undemocratic with our drive to fight against amfa and having a vote. It is not the "vote" we are against, it is amfa. We are doing nothing different than what is done in elections througout this great country all the time. We will do what we feel is necessary to keep amfa from winning. That means we will fight to the end, protest them and open up cans of worms on them to achieve our objective. We have done nothing wrong or illegal in our actions.

It would also like to think bringing it to a vote would help to bring us all back together and work together.

Im afraid I can't agree with you on this one Thrustful. As much as I would like this to happen I'm afraid that a vote will not accomplish this. AMFA has their believers and TWU has theirs. I am willing to do my part but there is already so much separation that it will take nothing short of a miracle to bring both sides together. We have different philosophies of what is better for our profession. I wish it could be dfiffernt for the sake of the "union" and it's members but a lot of damage has occurred. It's hard to fix. . .

Enjoy your hotdog lunch on Saturday. . .

I suspect that we have different professions. Some of us are mechanics and figure that we will be mechanics till we retire while others are looking to get on the TWU payroll and collect six figures while telling mechanics they are lucky to have a job, teling mechanics that their demise is their own fault, not the union that tells them to accept concessions fault, tells them that they are being elitist when they claim that their issues are not being addressed, tells them that they are selfish for wanting more than other workers who did not invest in the skills they sell to the company, telling them that a loaf of bread costs the other guy just as much as it costs you, while neglecting to point at that it costs him, with his six figure salary that is provided by your dues, the same also.

I dont remember any politician trying to prevent an election.

 

[Stop the Bus..I Want Off!!]

As long as AMFA is representing our craft and class in the airline industry, someone, somewhere will be trying to organize the AMFA. It's never been "IF", it's always been "WHEN". If AMFA is as bad as the twu says it is, then why are they at 8 airlines and growing?? I bet that over 80% of our membership only cares about the effects the twu has had on their paycheck. All this other stuff means nothing to them. They want someone who will fight for them, good or bad.
With the twu propoganda coming to everyones houses, It's obvious the twu is in the panic mode, and rightfully so. I see members reading the stuff the twu is putting out, but I don't see anyone changing their minds.
Bob said it best........the fight here is against a few twu international wantabes!!!

Cheers..........

 

[Thrustfuljet]

Quote by twuer

You seem to think that we are being undemocratic with our drive to fight against amfa and having a vote. It is not the "vote" we are against, it is amfa.

"Well I'm against John Kerry, So should I go out and try to stop the presidential election?"

 

[twuer]

Quote by twuer


"Well I'm against John Kerry, So should I go out and try to stop the presidential election?"

]"Well I'm against John Kerry,

And that is your right. I'm against amfa and that is my right.

I never said I was trying to stop the vote I said I am against amfa and will do my part to see that they don't get voted in. It's done all the time Thrustful!! Call it campaigning if you will . You campaign for amfa we campaign against amfa. I will do my part as well to campaign agaisnt George Bush come election time. No
difference!!

It is my constitutional duty. . .on both issues!!

 

[Bob Owens]

Quote by twuer


"Well I'm against John Kerry, So should I go out and try to stop the presidential election?"

]"Well I'm against John Kerry,

And that is your right. I'm against amfa and that is my right.

I never said I was trying to stop the vote I said I am against amfa and will do my part to see that they don't get voted in. It's done all the time Thrustful!! Call it campaigning if you will . You campaign for amfa we campaign against amfa. I will do my part as well to campaign agaisnt George Bush come election time. No
difference!!

It is my constitutional duty. . .on both issues!!

You are either deliberately trying to decieve or totally lacking perspective if you think that there is no difference between trying to win an election and trying to prevent an election.

The fact is that we do not, and should not, have the right to try and prevent elections. Elections are the cornerstone of Democracy.

The fact is that there is only one person who was here when the TWU came onto the property, that is Al Blackman, and he did not chose the TWU, he was more partial to the UAW. That was 58 years ago.

After Al saw our new agreement he shook his head and said "We had more here before we got the TWU back in 46 than we have now, this is a disgrace".

So nobody on the property ever voted to have the TWU represent them here at AA. Nobody was ever given the choice. You call that Democratic?

If thats not bad enough, our contract is under the control of the International, it belongs to them so long as they are recognized as our bargaining agent, and we do not get to vote on any International official.