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I believe all life has a purpose. I believe all life is sacred. Even a mouse can suffer from mental and psychological torments.
 
In this world of data collection and computer modeling I think we should at least attempt to find a technological solution to our biological problems. There is all kinds of tech out there that the medical field refuses to use. Pharmacology and Medical science is no longer interested in curing anyone, all they care about is treating people and miking as much money out of them as they can.
 
How is it our technology has increased 100 fold in the last 60 years but the last disease we cured was polio in the 1950's? Anyone else want to call B.S. on that?
 
They talk of nanomachines and 3D printing organs....... you actually think they will let these see the light of day?
 
 
 
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/03/tech/innovation/3-d-printing-human-organs/
 
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/researchers-at-ucla-have-designed-46388
 
http://gizmodo.com/5022952/nanomachines-stop-cancer-from-spreading
 
Lots of variables.

I first look at self aware vs not. Those animals who are self aware I believe are in a special class and should be treated as equals to humans. Koko as an example has a large vocabulary (1,000 signs last I read) and seems to be able to actually communicate. I do not believe she should be treated the same as a lab rat.

Some countries are actually passing or in the process of passing laws granting limited rights to certain animals.

If there is absolutely no other way to test a medicine than I would support testing on non-self aware animals. I do not support testing of any non-essential compounds such as perfume, cosmetics or what ever on animals.

It's dicey issue with lots of different variables and no easy answers.
 
Genesis 1:26-28 
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 
 
Any Questions?
 
signals said:
Do animals have more rights than humans? If you adhere to the preaching of the HAS-BEEN Pamela Anderson, then cry me a river for the poor experimental rodents that are abused to help human beings.


http://wonderwall.msn.com/tv/pamela-anderson-carey-hart-slam-als-ice-bucket-challenge-1833760.story


Yes folks, she would rather save a mouse than save a human. Do you really want me to lecture about rodents as food for an entire food chain?
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You aware Cass Sunstein wanted to get law cut to give animals legal rights?
 
I believe all life has a purpose. I believe all life is sacred. Even a mouse can suffer from mental and psychological torments.
 
In this world of data collection and computer modeling I think we should at least attempt to find a technological solution to our biological problems. There is all kinds of tech out there that the medical field refuses to use. Pharmacology and Medical science is no longer interested in curing anyone, all they care about is treating people and miking as much money out of them as they can.
 
How is it our technology has increased 100 fold in the last 60 years but the last disease we cured was polio in the 1950's? Anyone else want to call B.S. on that?
 
They talk of nanomachines and 3D printing organs....... you actually think they will let these see the light of day?
 
 
 
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/03/tech/innovation/3-d-printing-human-organs/
 
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/researchers-at-ucla-have-designed-46388
 
http://gizmodo.com/5022952/nanomachines-stop-cancer-from-spreading
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Technology can't predict how it will work with humans. Mice are on the low end of the carnivorous food chain. They are vermin to most of us, and we wouldn't welcome them in our house. They are expendable. But isn't it interesting that most petards and animal rights advocates have little regard for human life? They would rather have someone endure their suffering than have an innocent mouse suffer!
 
You aware Cass Sunstein wanted to get law cut to give animals legal rights?
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I heard of it and laugh at it. You will then have to enforce said rights on upper food chain animals because they kill other animals for food.
 
I believe all life has a purpose. I believe all life is sacred. Even a mouse can suffer from mental and psychological torments.
 
In this world of data collection and computer modeling I think we should at least attempt to find a technological solution to our biological problems. There is all kinds of tech out there that the medical field refuses to use. Pharmacology and Medical science is no longer interested in curing anyone, all they care about is treating people and miking as much money out of them as they can.
 
How is it our technology has increased 100 fold in the last 60 years but the last disease we cured was polio in the 1950's? Anyone else want to call B.S. on that?
 
They talk of nanomachines and 3D printing organs....... you actually think they will let these see the light of day?
 
 
 
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/03/tech/innovation/3-d-printing-human-organs/
 
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/researchers-at-ucla-have-designed-46388
 
http://gizmodo.com/5022952/nanomachines-stop-cancer-from-spreading
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You are aware that humans are also used as test subjects for cures? I'm not talking about those people who get paid to use untested products. If people are dying of an incurable cancer or disease, they will often get permission to use new untested drugs and methods.
 
SparrowHawk said:
Genesis 1:26-28 
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 
 
Any Questions?
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Yea, lots of them
 
20:9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.
 
20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
 
20:13  If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
 
20:18 And if a man shall lie with a woman having her sickness, and shall uncover her nakedness; he hath discovered her fountain, and she hath uncovered the fountain of her blood: and both of them shall be cut off from among their people.  (when did a natural human cycle become a sickness?
 
The bible does not apply to US law.  If it did the above would also apply.  And the stuff above is just plain stupid. 
 
signals said:
Technology can't predict how it will work with humans. 
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I disagree. Computer modeling is limited by human understanding. The more we understand the more accurate it becomes. At the very minimum it can be used to lessen exposure of testing to those "lower on the food chain.  You think people rule this world when in reality it is bacteria. Believe it or don't.
 
signals said:
They are vermin to most of us, and we wouldn't welcome them in our house. They are expendable. 
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Humans have said that exact same thing about other humans in the past (and present). I do not consider any life "expendable". 
 
signals said:
They would rather have someone endure their suffering than have an innocent mouse suffer!
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I don't think that is quite right. 
 
signals said:
You are aware that humans are also used as test subjects for cures? I'm not talking about those people who get paid to use untested products. If people are dying of an incurable cancer or disease, they will often get permission to use new untested drugs and methods.
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You mean they gave the patient a CHOICE.
 
World must be jacked up.  I actually agree with 90% of what La la said. 
 
The only thing I take issue wit is that bacteria do not rule the world.  At least no in the manner that 'rule' is typically associate it.  Numeric superiority does not equal a ruling power.  S Africa apartheid is a good example.
 
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Ms Tree said:
World must be jacked up.  I actually agree with 90% of what La la said. 
 
The only thing I take issue wit is that bacteria do not rule the world.  At least no in the manner that 'rule' is typically associate it.  Numeric superiority does not equal a ruling power.  S Africa apartheid is a good example.
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without bacteria most life wouldnt be here, so i figure thats a leading role all in itself
 
They may be the building blocks of life but I do not see how that equates to ruling.
 
Ms Tree said:
They may be the building blocks of life but I do not see how that equates to ruling.
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they are not the building blocks of life, 
 
without bacteria we wouldnt be able to digest food, therefore we would die...
 
nutrients we depend on wouldnt exist.. 
 
without bacteria the majority of life on this planet would die...
 
that makes it a leader on the planet 
 
if you dont believe me try these guys https://www.ebiomedia.com/bacteria-ya-cant-live-without-um.html
 
Not disputing any of that.  Sounds like building blocks to me.  
 
The question seemed to be one of what rules what.  Humans with their cognitive ability seem to be on the top of that pyramid.  We are the apex predator.
 
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