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I don't know which side of the fence many of you came from, but it appears that there are quite a few East employees talking doomsday scenarios here. My guess is 700, Ardenian and Diogenes are East, but please correct me if I'm wrong.
There are many things I would fault senior leadership with, but I will say that outsourcing is not big on their list. Under DP, McLellan and the other guys there have been nothing but improvements in the overall employee way of life. Did they screw up in some places? Sure, but anyone who was here before DP has seen a CEO concerned only with money.
DP and the gang have actually worked pretty hard to bring all kinds of work back in house. It isn't easy to bring back heavy mx when we no longer have the infrastructure, but look at how many small mx field stations have been added. They were added to increase quality of work when our contract vendors weren't working so well for us. More than a dozen small field stations have been added or dramatically improved to increase reliability. West didn't outsource Rez and we only outsourced Fleat Service when it just didn't make sense. For all the things I will fault managment with, outsourcing is just not their style.
My somewhat educated guess is you will see recalls, but not at a rabbit pace. They will take the time necessary to be sure it's brought back with cost and effeciency kept in mind. Give these guys a chance...we had to, and they made AWA a company you could be proud of. It wasn't an easy task. I truly hope for all of you, he does the same thing with the combined airline.
There are many things I would fault senior leadership with, but I will say that outsourcing is not big on their list. Under DP, McLellan and the other guys there have been nothing but improvements in the overall employee way of life. Did they screw up in some places? Sure, but anyone who was here before DP has seen a CEO concerned only with money.
DP and the gang have actually worked pretty hard to bring all kinds of work back in house. It isn't easy to bring back heavy mx when we no longer have the infrastructure, but look at how many small mx field stations have been added. They were added to increase quality of work when our contract vendors weren't working so well for us. More than a dozen small field stations have been added or dramatically improved to increase reliability. West didn't outsource Rez and we only outsourced Fleat Service when it just didn't make sense. For all the things I will fault managment with, outsourcing is just not their style.
My somewhat educated guess is you will see recalls, but not at a rabbit pace. They will take the time necessary to be sure it's brought back with cost and effeciency kept in mind. Give these guys a chance...we had to, and they made AWA a company you could be proud of. It wasn't an easy task. I truly hope for all of you, he does the same thing with the combined airline.
I base my opinion on:
Outsourcing is mainstream corporate religion. US may pick and choose a few places to revist that decision, like res, but to bring back rampers in large numbers? Doubt it.
Given the turn of events in the Middle East, do you think $50 a barrel oil, or $100 a barrel is more likely? Given that, why bring back folks at $15 when you're getting it for $8? I understand outsourcing may actually cost more overall, but US has never been keen at the big picture. For example, US sez PHL is the # 1 rev generator. True at the gross. Still true at the net? US doesn't say, and I'm not sure they even know. Same with outsourcing. Do they even know what the true costs are? Absent that info, management will keep pointing to the $15/$8 dichotomy.
US has ridded themselves of the folks that voted a union onto the property, nice and legal. Bring them back? Doubt it.Plus, how hard will the IAM fight to get rampers back? I know IAM proposed it, but FIGHT for it? I figure about as hard as they fought to keep small station rampers on the payroll the last go around.
I could be wrong, and for the sake of thousands of good employees, I hope I am. But I doubt it.
Outsourcing is mainstream corporate religion. US may pick and choose a few places to revist that decision, like res, but to bring back rampers in large numbers? Doubt it.
Given the turn of events in the Middle East, do you think $50 a barrel oil, or $100 a barrel is more likely? Given that, why bring back folks at $15 when you're getting it for $8? I understand outsourcing may actually cost more overall, but US has never been keen at the big picture. For example, US sez PHL is the # 1 rev generator. True at the gross. Still true at the net? US doesn't say, and I'm not sure they even know. Same with outsourcing. Do they even know what the true costs are? Absent that info, management will keep pointing to the $15/$8 dichotomy.
US has ridded themselves of the folks that voted a union onto the property, nice and legal. Bring them back? Doubt it.Plus, how hard will the IAM fight to get rampers back? I know IAM proposed it, but FIGHT for it? I figure about as hard as they fought to keep small station rampers on the payroll the last go around.
I could be wrong, and for the sake of thousands of good employees, I hope I am. But I doubt it.
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If outsourcing was so high on the priority list as you say then why the heck hasn't the Philly ramp been outsourced! Heavy checks was outsourced at AWA long before DP, and acquiring all the tooling necessary to perform with AWA's cash position was not an option. That being said, give credit to AWA moving some of their outsourcing from inadequate vendors to TACA. From what I've heard TACA has been doing a good job for us. Perhaps we will see some more heavy maintenance comeback inhouse when the mechanics are brought together under one contract...and that would be a good thing.
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The PHL ramp can't be outsourced due to the fact that PHL is a class 1 station. Only class 2 stations on the east were subject to outsourcing as of the last IAM contract. A few class 2 stations are still around due to the amount of weekly flights they have. If you think PHL is a mess now, just try to imagine what it would be like with an even lower paid crowd of contract employees... 🙁
Outsourcing goes back a long way. AA contracted out a lot of ramp back in the 80's, IIRC.
The prevailing wisdom has become to not outsource your hubs, because they are vital to operations. Hence CLT, PHL and PHX are not likely candidates for outsourcing. And, it's in the contract that way, for what ever that's worth.
Ironically,out-station fleet generally have more qualifications than hub fleet. In a station I'm familiar with, fleet air started, deicied, worked bag room, operations, a/f, pushed, and cleaned. On top of ramp duties.
Go figure.
The prevailing wisdom has become to not outsource your hubs, because they are vital to operations. Hence CLT, PHL and PHX are not likely candidates for outsourcing. And, it's in the contract that way, for what ever that's worth.
Ironically,out-station fleet generally have more qualifications than hub fleet. In a station I'm familiar with, fleet air started, deicied, worked bag room, operations, a/f, pushed, and cleaned. On top of ramp duties.
Go figure.
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yes that is true. My station happens to be one of the ones that does everything but fix the planes all for a low measley wage. if hubs are vital to the airlines, then what the he!! are the outstationsto the company? :down:
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Doing all the different functions is what made ramp/ops work fun. If I would have been in a bin for the last 19 years I would have hated it. The previous 7 years were spent going back and forth between customer service and operations.
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I can't agree with you more about that. The productivity within the smaller stations was outstanding compared to the hubs. As stated above, we did everthing except fix the
A/C when it was broken. You can add catering to the list of things done as well. The employees that were qualified to do everything from Ops. to cleaning, were the first ones out the door...Go figure... :blink:
A/C when it was broken. You can add catering to the list of things done as well. The employees that were qualified to do everything from Ops. to cleaning, were the first ones out the door...Go figure... :blink:
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OK, the Airline is making money now...Finally. It appears that they are headed in the right direction at least.
Let's bring the outsourced stations jobs back now, as I doubt the few extra bucks will break the company. I'm not really convinced that they were putting the company into the red in the first place. The few extra bucks will be well worth having your own employees who actually care about their jobs, and will show up for work everday as they did in the past.
Let's bring the outsourced stations jobs back now, as I doubt the few extra bucks will break the company. I'm not really convinced that they were putting the company into the red in the first place. The few extra bucks will be well worth having your own employees who actually care about their jobs, and will show up for work everday as they did in the past.
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Any rumors/info on when we might hear a response from the company on the rampers transitional agreement.
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My thoughts exactly
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A statement, then a question.
(First of all, I hope EVERYONE gets back) !!
Manchester NH(MHT) got "busted" down to US Express.
Since "this" is a "form" of outsourcing, WHAT would happen to MHT, if "outsoursing" is done away with ??
Thanx,
NH/BB's
(First of all, I hope EVERYONE gets back) !!
Manchester NH(MHT) got "busted" down to US Express.
Since "this" is a "form" of outsourcing, WHAT would happen to MHT, if "outsoursing" is done away with ??
Thanx,
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Whrn did MHT get "busted" to express. I know they have been loosing mainline, and my traffic for months now. I didn't realize they lost that many mainline flights
