Another way US hates employees-Clt

[Harry Callahan]

Keeping my fingers crossed I haven't been injured on the job, but just found out if one is injured on the job & needs to go to the doctor they are being made to punch out & do this on their own time unpaid. This is awful & another way US hates employees. Side note just where I work alone we quite a few injured.

Has anyone heard of other company's doing this & does it happen where you are ?

 

[Dont call me Shirley]

Keeping my fingers crossed I haven't been injured on the job, but just found out if one is injured on the job & needs to go to the doctor they are being made to punch out & do this on their own time unpaid. This is awful & another way US hates employees. Side note just where I work alone we quite a few injured.

Has anyone heard of other company's doing this & does it happen where you are ?

And for the CWA folks, they can not use sick time for OJI, so OJI time is unpaid, unless the OJI goes longer than five days. Talk about adding insult to injury.

 

[crazystnic]

And for the CWA folks, they can not use sick time for OJI, so OJI time is unpaid, unless the OJI goes longer than five days. Talk about adding insult to injury.

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I found out personally there is no more OJI sick bank for EAST pilots...If you go out you go on your own sick time... You get a check from the insurance company but you burn your own sick time.

 

[PullUp]

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I found out personally there is no more OJI sick bank for EAST pilots...If you go out you go on your own sick time... You get a check from the insurance company but you burn your own sick time.

Yes, and you'd better have enough in your sick bank (or savings $$ in your real bank account) to cover the waiting period before LTD kicks in at 50% of your last 12 mo W2. I can't remember and am too lazy to research how long that is, but I believe it is 6 months...
And when you return, no rapid reaccrual (sp?) - that was given up with everything else long ago...
The upshot is: don't get sick and have another gig on the side, 'cause this one...well...if you reading on this forum you understand.

 

[SparrowHawk]

For every problem there is a way around it and being unionized you have less risk than a non union employee. They want to play games with OJI? File an OSHA complaint BEFORE you even go to a doctor. I'm pretty sure you can do it on line. Trust me they don't want 50 ramper OSHA complaints.

Whether the above will work I've no idea. I would suggest that instead of pizzing and moaning you get you buddies and sit down at lunch with a copy of your contract and other company policy docs and figure out the work around. There almost always is one. Bottom line? Do it to them before they do it to you.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Yes, and you'd better have enough in your sick bank (or savings $$ in your real bank account) to cover the waiting period before LTD kicks in at 50% of your last 12 mo W2. I can't remember and am too lazy to research how long that is, but I believe it is 6 months...
And when you return, no rapid reaccrual (sp?) - that was given up with everything else long ago...
The upshot is: don't get sick and have another gig on the side, 'cause this one...well...if you reading on this forum you understand.

The company word (from first-hand experience) is that it takes 90 days minimum from the time they receive the very extensive paperwork until the money for LTD starts coming in. I'm not sure, but it is probably retroactive from the time the disability starts (anybody know for sure?), but you still have to have at least three months of sick leave, or savings, to live while waiting for the bureaucracy to give you what you have earned.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I've had FA's tell me that the company considers time lost because of illness as falling under the FMLA, which provides unpaid time off. Under the appropriate contract language for a group, sick time is only a mechanism to have full or partial income for a period of illness.

Of course, long-term medical absence is different and again depends on the contract language for each particular group.

Jim

 

[Dog Wonder]

Keeping my fingers crossed I haven't been injured on the job, but just found out if one is injured on the job & needs to go to the doctor they are being made to punch out & do this on their own time unpaid. This is awful & another way US hates employees. Side note just where I work alone we quite a few injured.

Has anyone heard of other company's doing this & does it happen where you are ?

Whether you have to clock out to go to the doctor is at the discretion of the local manager.

 

[PullUp]

The company word (from first-hand experience) is that it takes 90 days minimum from the time they receive the very extensive paperwork until the money for LTD starts coming in. I'm not sure, but it is probably retroactive from the time the disability starts (anybody know for sure?), but you still have to have at least three months of sick leave, or savings, to live while waiting for the bureaucracy to give you what you have earned.

It's interesting to note that when the company is authorized to take $$ from you, it happens overnight - but when you ask them to cough up a few dimes, it takes weeks, months,.......

 

[A320 Driver]

Yes, and you'd better have enough in your sick bank (or savings $$ in your real bank account) to cover the waiting period before LTD kicks in at 50% of your last 12 mo W2. I can't remember and am too lazy to research how long that is, but I believe it is 6 months...
And when you return, no rapid reaccrual (sp?) - that was given up with everything else long ago...
The upshot is: don't get sick and have another gig on the side, 'cause this one...well...if you reading on this forum you understand.

LTD is capped... a gig on the side doesn't add to it. Anything you make on the side is deducted from LTD.

Driver B)

 

[PullUp]

LTD is capped... a gig on the side doesn't add to it. Anything you make on the side is deducted from LTD.

Driver B)

I don't believe it does...SSecurity is the only offset.

 

[767one]

I don't believe it does...SSecurity is the only offset.

Pullup,

For pilots I think all income is included (east). I have a friend on ltd and the company insisted that he send in his w-2's and tax returns. He refused so they stopped his payments until threatened with a lawsuit and then the payments resumed. More bullying and bs from the carrier of choice (last choice).

Regards,

Bob

 

[jimntx]

I don't believe it does...SSecurity is the only offset.

Maybe not, but...if you are on long term disability, a case can be made that if you are working at another job, you are not disabled. Remember that LTD is not paid directly by the company. It is paid from an insurance policy that the company carries. Insurance companies hate paying out the money they actually owe. We don't even want to discuss how they feel about paying out money on fraudulent claims.

There have been several cases, not necessarily in the airline business, over the past few years where someone was cut off from disability because they were engaged in activities that they should not be able to do if disabled. One case I remember is a guy was off from work with a serious back injury--supposedly could barely move. When he tried to sue the insurance company to reinstate his disability, they produced a video in court of him re-roofing his house by himself--including carrying those heavy packs of shingles up and down a ladder.

 

[PullUp]

Pullup,

For pilots I think all income is included (east). I have a friend on ltd and the company insisted that he send in his w-2's and tax returns. He refused so they stopped his payments until threatened with a lawsuit and then the payments resumed. More bullying and bs from the carrier of choice (last choice).

Regards,

Bob

Here's from the Summary Plan Description:

For participants who become Disabled on or after January I, 2003, your Plan benefits will be offset,
dollar-for-dollar, by any of the following amounts you may receive from other sources:

l1li Income from other employment that exceeds 50% of your Average Monthly Earnings prior to
the date your Disability commenced;

III Disability benefits paid or payable under federal Social Security law, even if you fail to apply for
Social Security benefits when you are eligible;

l1li Disability benefits paid or payable under any workers' compensation law, or other similar
benefits paid or payable as a result of occupational hazards;

III Disability benefits paid or payable under any federal or state law;

III Severance pay;

l1l Retirement benefits from any retirement program; [note: this would include PBGC if you start at 60....FYI]

III Disability benefits from no-fault auto insurance that exceed 100% of your Average Monthly
Earnings prior to the date your Disability commenced;

III Group disability benefits from other employers that exceed 100% ofyour Average Monthly
Earnings prior to the date your Disability commenced;

III Any lump sum payments, settlements or distributions from any ofthe programs listed above, or
from any other source, that are made on account of the same Disability for which Plan benefits
are being paid, to the extent that these payments, settlements or distributions exceed 100% of
your projected Average Monthly Earnings (determined prior to the date your Disability
conunenced) over the remainder ofyour career as a pilot.

Your other income (excluding income from passive investments), when combined with your benefit
under the Plan, cannot exceed 100% of your Average Monthly Earnings determined prior to the date
your Disability commenced.

Cheers.

 

[john john]

Here's from the Summary Plan Description:

For participants who become Disabled on or after January I, 2003, your Plan benefits will be offset,
dollar-for-dollar, by any of the following amounts you may receive from other sources:

l1li Income from other employment that exceeds 50% of your Average Monthly Earnings prior to
the date your Disability commenced;

III Disability benefits paid or payable under federal Social Security law, even if you fail to apply for
Social Security benefits when you are eligible;

l1li Disability benefits paid or payable under any workers' compensation law, or other similar
benefits paid or payable as a result of occupational hazards;

III Disability benefits paid or payable under any federal or state law;

III Severance pay;


l1l Retirement benefits from any retirement program; [note: this would include PBGC if you start at 60....FYI]

III Disability benefits from no-fault auto insurance that exceed 100% of your Average Monthly
Earnings prior to the date your Disability commenced;

III Group disability benefits from other employers that exceed 100% ofyour Average Monthly
Earnings prior to the date your Disability commenced;

III Any lump sum payments, settlements or distributions from any ofthe programs listed above, or
from any other source, that are made on account of the same Disability for which Plan benefits
are being paid, to the extent that these payments, settlements or distributions exceed 100% of
your projected Average Monthly Earnings (determined prior to the date your Disability
conunenced) over the remainder ofyour career as a pilot.

Your other income (excluding income from passive investments), when combined with your benefit
under the Plan, cannot exceed 100% of your Average Monthly Earnings determined prior to the date
your Disability commenced.

Cheers.

This is an example of the government employee and private industry employee at odds. More to come with jerry on the property