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Anyone see this on Flt 9 PHX-ORD?

She didn't look very dangerous to me, a little out there, but not dangerous. Number one rule in customer service, and I've been doing it for a long time, is you never, NEVER, touch a passenger, unless you are in immediate physical danger. Granted, she needed to be removed from the aircraft, but why not wait for the police. She did not become agitated until the agent dragged her off the plane. I wonder if the same thing would happen if it was a six foot, two hundred pound man. Sorry, but that was not handled properly. People are far more cooperative when they see a uniformed police officer. That agent unecessarily escalated that situation into wrestlemania on the jetway. Always call the police, it will save you alot of trouble.
 
I was working at PHX when the nutty lady going to TUS choked herself to death. She was the one going to rehab and missed her flight because she was DRINKING at Route 66. That was Mesa staff but I'm sure everyone in PHX is leary now about even coming close to touching a passenger. The family wanted to sue everyone involved. No matter what they did, they are going to make everyone unhappy.
 
wow what a tough situation ! sometimes i'm glad i don't work with the public ... i tend to agree with the man , i perfer not to touch a pax unless it's absolutely necessary , once they get touced the situation tends to esclate .. but as far as bad instances go , the crew here looks like they handled it well enough ..
 
Well thats all fine and great but she would NOT have acted the way she did in the forward galley for 6 minutes...thats right just as Piney stated the video went beyond 6 minutes. I don't know if the police were contacted immediately or after the figured this woman wasn't calming down. She smacked an agent? No? Sorry but the tuff cuffs would have been on her and she'd have been on the jetway. THEN the police could deal with her. Oh and if it were a man over 200+ pounds and was acting that way.......I'd have my ABP's and his 200+ pounds would have been on the jetway. It wouldn't be the first time. Even if that woman didn't freak out more, she could have. Sorry I don't give a rats rear...as soon as she slapped/touched the agent the gloves are off. Edna......."Bring me the cuffs". GOODBYE and let me know how 1800-USA-RAIL works for your ride outta here. :lol:
 
She didn't look very dangerous to me, a little out there, but not dangerous. Number one rule in customer service, and I've been doing it for a long time, is you never, NEVER, touch a passenger, unless you are in immediate physical danger.
§ 46503. http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/49C465.txt

An individual in an area within a commercial service airport in the United States who, by assaulting a Federal, airport, or air carrier employee who has security duties within the airport, interferes with the performance of the duties of the employee or lessens the ability of the employee to perform those duties, shall be fined under title 18, imprisoned for not more than 10 years, or both. If the individual used a dangerous weapon in committing the assault or interference, the individual may be imprisoned for any term of years or life imprisonment.

http://www.cwa-union.org/news/cwa-news/pag...itemID=27370691
http://www.cwa-union.org/news/cwa-news/pag...itemID=27368454

Passenger service agents, who are required by the Federal Aviation Administration to carry out critical security responsibilities, were the only airline employees who lack the backing of federal law in performing such duties.
The Senate, in the aviation security bill passed Oct. 10, agreed with CWA that interference and assaults on agents are unacceptable. The Senate unanimously voted to set penalties of fines and imprisonment of up to 10 years for passengers who assault, intimidate or interfere with employees charged with security duties
“Airport rage is the weak link in our air travel security and passenger safety system and is a widespread and serious danger to the traveling public,â€￾ CWA President Morton Bahr said. He thanked the Senate for its prompt action and especially acknowledged the active support of Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.), “who made this happen.â€￾ The CWA-sponsored measure parallels existing laws that make the intimidation of flight crews a federal offense.
Agents are responsible for critical security measures, yet these procedures are the only aspect of the FAA security system not currently enforceable by federal law, CWA pointed out. The procedures include: physically guarding all bag belt and bag room access; physically guarding access to the secure jetway and ramp areas; screening persons for bag checks and matches; determining whether individuals will be disruptive aboard the flight; and notifying ramp and airline personnel when someone who has checked bags fails to board the plane.
CWA, US Airways to Fight Airport Rage
US Airways management has agreed to join CWA in a two-part campaign to remind the flying public and airport security officials of the tough federal penalties for assaulting or abusing passenger service employees.

CWA and airline management will jointly meet with airport authorities to make sure that information is displayed prominently, so that travelers know a violation of the federal law can bring substantial fines and imprisonment of as long as 10 years.

The campaign also calls for joint meetings with federal law enforcement authorities, to press for federal, rather than local prosecution, in cases of physical injury to agents.
 
The person in the video that drags her out of the galley, up the loading bridge and up against the wall is the passenger's male companion. He also was unable to get her to listen to reason. It is my understanding that the passenger flailed at and bruised/scratched the gate agent who was sent to remove her. The flight was on a mechanical delay at the time and the Captain came out to investigate the commotion. The passenger allegedly struck at the Captain. Ahhhh .... No. Gate agents have no instructions in use of tuff cuffs - why didn't the inflight apply them? I see no fault on the part of any US employee, gate or flight. This woman was out of control for whatever reason and it is better to let her companion physically remove and attempt to restrain her IMO. Unfortunately, gate agents put up with a lot of abuse from passengers. Fortunately, it seldom goes this far.
 
As a customer I respectfully disagree!

She presented a clear and present danger to herself and others. The longer someone is allowed to flail about and carry on the bolder and more aggressive they become.

She was clearly off balance and under the influence of a substance or the voices in her head. :lol: Given her obvious disconnect with reality she should have been made to eat the floor in the galley, tuff cuffs applied hands AND ankles and promptly deposited on the jetway, door closed and away we go.

The longer a situation like that goes on the more danger everyone around her is in.
The idea is to deescalate the situation. Unless she was physically combative at her seat she should have been left for the police to remove her. Seeing her back in to a small space and all these people around her making demands is only making her more anxious, the more you box someone in the likely they will lash out with violence.

Its funny to read all the comments regarding what other flight attendants would have done or claim they will do in the situation. My advise be careful. You may think you can take someone, or you may think people will just jump in to help. I can tell you more often they will not. People will however have there camera phones trained on you watching.

Wait for the police, unless there is a report of a weapon, you wont see lights and sirens on the ramp or officers running from the main terminal.
 
I've spent far too much time working with the mentally disturbed at a past job and the first thing you learn there is NEVER assume ANYTHING about a person who is obviously having issues.

They will ALWAYS do the unexpected and you WILL get hurt. Situations like these are best served doing everything in your power to keep the situation calm, not to threaten the individual (that means not backing them into a corner or cutting off a path of escape, raising your voice, using hostile or exaggerated body movements/language, etc.), and to speak as softly and as slowly as you can.

We as Flight Attendants have the training to restrain someone as a weapon of last resort. We are trained to restrain someone because we have no where else to go and no one else to do it for us. On the ground the police should ALWAYS be the ones to restrain anyone. They are trained in how to effectively take someone down with the minimum amount of force required. They are also covered by their employer against any lawsuit for injury or wrongful restraint filed by the customer.

You as a Flight Attendant will not be covered by the Company in the case you take down a passenger on the ground with the door open instead of waiting for the police. If that person attacks you it's a different story but handcuffing someone to throw them off so you can make your overnight is a recipe for disaster... especially if it's being filmed. 🙂
 
Point being that if I can get police on the scene even in rural NY state in under 4 minutes & under 2 at the Labor Day venue, then the PHX police should have been on scene customer in cuffs in well under the 6 minutes of the you tube video.
I guess we will never know why the PD took so long to respond, but lets keep in mind they may have had numerous calls hanging at that time, or the call dispatched incorrectly....But like PB said, we can all Monday Morning Quarterback this thing to death....
 
Coulda-woulda-shoulda.

I've spent a decent amount of time working A2 rampside. I wouldn't risk getting my face scratched by this nutbar or 'suspended pending investigation' for an incident occurring on a flight that's already delayed. Not for what I get paid.

I don't expect the cops to stack bags, so they shouldn't expect me to manhandle rabid passengers.
 

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