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Are they Hypocrites?

Been flying long? MOVE. It's all in the details. Say an agent clears the pilot for the jumpseat. I come running up LATE because I missed the employee bus to the terminal and now I cant get to work, some pilot got the jumpseat over me, due to the seat being released to them. Do I want that variable added to my (nightmare) commute? NO.
That seat would not be released to the pilot until 10 min. before departure. If you are that late that is your fault not the pilots.

We have a commuter policy of 2 flights before your show time. If you choose to commute it is your responsibility to be on time. You want to make the pilots to suffer everyday because you can't make to work on time once in awhile?
 
You have got to be kidding me. What is the percentage of time that can ever happen? I can't tell you how many people got a ride home because I volunteered to give up my seat for an empty fa seat in the last year. You east people are truly the nastiest airline workers in this country.

This whole cabin jumpseat debate is symptomatic of an underlying difference in corporate culture that highlights the issues of trying to integrate these two groups.

I have never ridden the cabin jump, I do not commute, and have never had the need. However, in over two decades of being a captain, I have dispensed authorization enumerable times.

From my experience, by far the greatest use by pilots of the cabin jumpseat is to accomodate an other airline pilot who is allowed to ride the flightdeck jumpseat, while the company pilot takes the cabin jump. That is followed by the use of the cabin jump to open a cabin seat to accomodate boarding of another non-rev passenger.

How this relates to corporate culture.

The West has always had a go along get along sense of cooperation. Back in the day, AWA was one of very few airlines that could board as many jumpseat request as there were seats available in the cabin. (This when every major limited jumpseats to the number of seats in the flightdeck, all too often just 1). AWA had very liberal pass travel rules, and we went out of our way to accomodate everybody. The idea being, we are a service company, we accomodate everybody, we make it a great place to be, and it will all come back when we are trying to get on that DL,NW,TWA,AA (well maybe not AA) flight, because last summer the TWA gate agent we are now dealing with had a great experience at AWA.

Now in stark contrast, I find myself argueing with east F/As who have the mindset of that seat is theirs, they have exclusive rights that trump everybody elses, they could care less who else may be trying to get somewhere, what happens if they are running late etc. etc. etc. West posters keep telling them, yes, you get priority on the cabin jump, but what if.....and the tired reply is...I don't care, that seat is mine, I will not share, I got my own problems, and I just became your problem too.

Well, here is the bottom line. Cabin jumpseat riders are allowed at the discretion of the captain. I think the east F/As will find the West captains to be very accomodating, its how we roll. However, and this is not a threat just an observation, if we abandon the AWA mentality of working together for everyones benefit, and take on the east mentality of every man for themselves, I believe the probability of finding yourself sitting at the gate watching the plane leave will go up.


PS. The removal of the West pilot's ability to ride the cabin jumpseat could be a violation of the RLA's status quo provisions.
 
One more thing.

Talk about thread creep.

Back on topic......not only are they hypocrites....usapa's founders and ardent supporters are lowlife, reneging, cheating, lying, dishonorable, scumbags that cannot be trusted under any circumstances. Oh wait, you can rely on them to cry like stuck pigs when they can't screw over their fellow employees.
 
You have got to be kidding me. What is the percentage of time that can ever happen? I can't tell you how many people got a ride home because I volunteered to give up my seat for an empty fa seat in the last year. You east people are truly the nastiest airline workers in this country.

Exactly, there is an Alaska commuter SEA/PHX that I have done this for several times. If I had skyhigh's attitude I'd have just left him there standing at the gate, because it wasn't MY problem. ME ME ME MY MY ME ME. Nice attitude, I bet he/she is a real hoot to fly with.
 
Nic4us,

As usual, most excellent posts.

So I bring this sky high: what if you were trying to get your husband, mom, dad, or whomever on a flight and you had a pilot in the cabin, both FD jumpseats were taken, and there was an open cabin jump, wouldn't you appreciate it if the pilot took said cabin jump to allow your loved one to make the flight?
 
Nic4us,

As usual, most excellent posts.

So I bring this sky high: what if you were trying to get your husband, mom, dad, or whomever on a flight and you had a pilot in the cabin, both FD jumpseats were taken, and there was an open cabin jump, wouldn't you appreciate it if the pilot took said cabin jump to allow your loved one to make the flight?
Everybody rides! At least that's the way it used to be.
 

I'll take a stab: Pilots can fly the airplane. Instructors can fly the airplane. Mechanics can troubleshoot the MX issues. Dispatchers may/may not have flight training, but could be of assistance with technical non-flying duties & routing.

While I know of some flight attendants that have flown aircraft the percentage is quite small. On the other hand......

Pilots know how to operate all doors, exits, emergency equipment and have working knowledge of emergency operations in the cabin. Further...if all flight deck occupants were incapacitated, you have one more spare.

It doesn't cost the company ANYTHING. If a FA shows up (even at the last minute), the pilot must exit and allow the FA to use the CABIN jumpseat. If the pilot misses his/her show (2 shots), the company BURNS a reserve pilot.....NOW it COSTS the company a reserve they might need later.

It's a shame that the negotiators thought this was an imporant part of the contract to waste time & energy on. No dollar savinhgs for the company & possible inconvenience / cost later. No dollars or benefits for the FA's.
 
And why does the flight attendant jump seat have to be exclusive to just pilots outside of the flight attendants

(c) Before each takeoff, each certificate holder operating an airplane carrying persons covered by paragraph (a) of this section shall ensure that all such persons have been orally briefed by the appropriate crewmember on—

(1) Smoking;

(2) The use of seat belts;

(3) The location and operation of emergency exits;

(4) The use of oxygen and emergency oxygen equipment; and

(5) For extended overwater operations, the location of life rafts, and the location and operation of life preservers including a demonstration of the method of donning and inflating a life preserver.

(d) Each certificate holder operating an airplane carrying persons covered by paragraph (a) of this section shall incorporate procedures for the safe carriage of such persons into the certificate holder's operations manual.
 
And why does the flight attendant jump seat have to be exclusive to just pilots outside of the flight attendants

(c) Before each takeoff, each certificate holder operating an airplane carrying persons covered by paragraph (a) of this section shall ensure that all such persons have been orally briefed by the appropriate crewmember on—

(1) Smoking;

(2) The use of seat belts;

(3) The location and operation of emergency exits;

(4) The use of oxygen and emergency oxygen equipment; and

(5) For extended overwater operations, the location of life rafts, and the location and operation of life preservers including a demonstration of the method of donning and inflating a life preserver.

(d) Each certificate holder operating an airplane carrying persons covered by paragraph (a) of this section shall incorporate procedures for the safe carriage of such persons into the certificate holder's operations manual.
Because you have to spend money to train all those people. That part of our training so its nothing extra.

And we do it annually.
 
You have got to be kidding me. What is the percentage of time that can ever happen? I can't tell you how many people got a ride home because I volunteered to give up my seat for an empty fa seat in the last year. You east people are truly the nastiest airline workers in this country.

.............Memory loss, Fodase? Remember the SUMMER OF LOVE? LATE FLIGHTS? MEL's?
 
.............Memory loss, Fodase? Remember the SUMMER OF LOVE? LATE FLIGHTS? MEL's?
So you are trying to get back at the east scabs for their illegal job action? Again, the nastiest airline employee group in the usa.
 
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