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Have you done anything to prepare for a Strike?

Many of us are sitting on a resource we can tap if needed. For a $50 origination Fee you can borrow money from your 401K and pay it back at an interest rate of 3.25% from 1 to 54 months. You can borrow up to half your balance to a max of $50,000 as a General Purpose loan. Dont be tempted to take a Primary Residence loan as many workers have been terminated for using such a loan for other uses. I know all the experts say dont borrow from your 401k but they would probably also say we should seek employment in another industry if we were to show them the graph on how our pay has performed over the last thirty years. We are headed for (or already in ) a financial disaster if we do not change the trajectory of our compensation. I doubt we will be able to do that without taking this to self help. We need to prepare for this and the better prepared we are, and the company knows it, the less likely it is that we will have to do it.

I did mine this morning, so I will have enough funds on hand to carry me for a considerable amount of time. Enough to find another job if needed. If I dont use it I can pay it back and just be out the $50, since the Interest is going back to me I'm only losing what the earnings would have been had I left the money in there. For me the peace of mind is worth it. If you wait till we are on strike the loan may not be available to you so it would be better to eat the $50 and get the cash now.

Another option is the Credit Union, I believe you can even buy insurance where if you lose your job the loan is forgiven but I do not know the details. However the 401K loan option gives more bang for the buck in the psych battle between us and the company. Since payments are taken from our paychecks the company will be able to see exactly how many are suddenly taking out loans against their 401Ks and building up strike funds.

Either way you need to pad up your cash reserves and get yourselves financially prepared to go to War.
 
Have you done anything to prepare for a Strike?

Many of us are sitting on a resource we can tap if needed. For a $50 origination Fee you can borrow money from your 401K and pay it back at an interest rate of 3.25% from 1 to 54 months. You can borrow up to half your balance to a max of $50,000 as a General Purpose loan. Dont be tempted to take a Primary Residence loan as many workers have been terminated for using such a loan for other uses. I know all the experts say dont borrow from your 401k but they would probably also say we should seek employment in another industry if we were to show them the graph on how our pay has performed over the last thirty years. We are headed for (or already in ) a financial disaster if we do not change the trajectory of our compensation. I doubt we will be able to do that without taking this to self help. We need to prepare for this and the better prepared we are, and the company knows it, the less likely it is that we will have to do it.

I did mine this morning, so I will have enough funds on hand to carry me for a considerable amount of time. Enough to find another job if needed. If I dont use it I can pay it back and just be out the $50, since the Interest is going back to me I'm only losing what the earnings would have been had I left the money in there. For me the peace of mind is worth it. If you wait till we are on strike the loan may not be available to you so it would be better to eat the $50 and get the cash now.

Another option is the Credit Union, I believe you can even buy insurance where if you lose your job the loan is forgiven but I do not know the details. However the 401K loan option gives more bang for the buck in the psych battle between us and the company. Since payments are taken from our paychecks the company will be able to see exactly how many are suddenly taking out loans against their 401Ks and building up strike funds.

Either way you need to pad up your cash reserves and get yourselves financially prepared to go to War.
I will print this and share it with my co-workers, thanks.
 
Have you done anything to prepare for a Strike?

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Either way you need to pad up your cash reserves and get yourselves financially prepared to go to War.

Bob, are you suggesting that job action is imminent? I thought the NMB was straightforward the AA unions that no one would be released anytime soon.

Josh
 
From what I am hearing the company's counterproposal was presented on Monday. It doesn't sound like anything that we can live with. What happens next is more of the same, that's my best guess for what it's worth...
 
From what I am hearing the company's counterproposal was presented on Monday. It doesn't sound like anything that we can live with. What happens next is more of the same, that's my best guess for what it's worth...

Of course what happens next is going to be more of the same. The company wants a zero sum contract. At least they're honest and upfront about THAT. They want to rob your left pocket of it's contents, do a little juggling act, and then place those same contents in your right pocket as a "raise." The only event that will kick the company into high gear and get serious is a 30 day cooling off period.
 
Of course what happens next is going to be more of the same. The company wants a zero sum contract. At least they're honest and upfront about THAT. They want to rob your left pocket of it's contents, do a little juggling act, and then place those same contents in your right pocket as a "raise." The only event that will kick the company into high gear and get serious is a 30 day cooling off period.
No surprise here! Why wait for the NMB......let's start our own 30 day clock! Let it last until AA comes begging!!!
 
Of course what happens next is going to be more of the same. The company wants a zero sum contract. At least they're honest and upfront about THAT. They want to rob your left pocket of it's contents, do a little juggling act, and then place those same contents in your right pocket as a "raise." The only event that will kick the company into high gear and get serious is a 30 day cooling off period.

You think the company cares about a 30 day cooling off period? They'll let us strike for 5 minutes like the pilots did. Bill Clinton stepped in...and that was the end of that.
Let's take our chances with a PEB..But don't be surprised if we get what we rejected.

In the even we did get released, Obama would repeat what Clinton did...intervene. In the back of Obama's mind might be the impact of his home state and the city of Chicago should the mechanics be allowed to strike....AA employees quite a few heads there.

To Bob Owens......I support you in your efforts to get us a good contract. I respect you for what you do for our craft. But I have to respectfully disagree with you that the TWU will allow a strike foremost.
I find it hard to believe that with so many members relying on OT and spouses working that they would be willing to take home a $0 paycheck.
You would think if people are readying for a strike, they would help the cause simply BY GOING BY THE BOOK....
TVs still on, laptops using everying gigabyte of broadband usage, cards still be being dealt.....
Sorry, the word STRIKE is not in too many people's vocabulary.


I'll be on that picket line in a heartbeat, but sorry to say, I do not see it happening.
 
This just in! AA read your post, checked with payroll and a large percentage of TWU members already have the maximum 2 loans issued from JP Morgan. These members will have to sit on the sidelines in your game of Psyche! Also reported their that their current debt to income ratio excludes them from the Credit Union version of the game. Do you have another option for these members?
 
This just in! AA read your post, checked with payroll and a large percentage of TWU members already have the maximum 2 loans issued from JP Morgan. These members will have to sit on the sidelines in your game of Psyche! Also reported their that their current debt to income ratio excludes them from the Credit Union version of the game. Do you have another option for these members?


I know 2 people who borrowed from their 401k just to play the stock market. On top of that they trade on margin and are already in a hole for that alone.
 
This just in! AA read your post, checked with payroll and a large percentage of TWU members already have the maximum 2 loans issued from JP Morgan. These members will have to sit on the sidelines in your game of Psyche! Also reported their that their current debt to income ratio excludes them from the Credit Union version of the game. Do you have another option for these members?
Hey WaffleBoy, do you also do credit reports? Better hunker down, and have your twu fear manual at the ready.
 
In the even we did get released, Obama would repeat what Clinton did...intervene. In the back of Obama's mind might be the impact of his home state and the city of Chicago should the mechanics be allowed to strike....AA employees quite a few heads there.

WHAT? You mean the same president that urged union chaos in Wisconsin and who the TWU threw its full support to, after Edwards capitulated that is, would intervene? :blink:

BTW B737NG, what have you heard?
 
WHAT? You mean the same president that urged union chaos in Wisconsin and who the TWU threw its full support to, after Edwards capitulated that is, would intervene? :blink:

Yes.
 
WHAT? You mean the same president that urged union chaos in Wisconsin and who the TWU threw its full support to, after Edwards capitulated that is, would intervene? :blink:

BTW B737NG, what have you heard?
Intervene? No way! these guys have known each other for years, in fact, I think they went to college together.
 
Intervene? No way! these guys have known each other for years, in fact, I think they went to college together.


The president appoints a PEB....He could then seed it with pro union players...
the alternative would be AA filing bk and that scenario would be worse.
 
This just in! AA read your post, checked with payroll and a large percentage of TWU members already have the maximum 2 loans issued from JP Morgan. These members will have to sit on the sidelines in your game of Psyche! Also reported their that their current debt to income ratio excludes them from the Credit Union version of the game. Do you have another option for these members?
Maybe some folks on this forum shouldn't be in a UNION!

At some point in time WE must stand up for our cause. The company has obviously drawn a line in the sand and will not pay us back. After helping this company for 8 years and now watching them basically slapping US in the face.....I'm ready for war whether I have $1 or $100,000 in the bank. AA Management has absolutely ZERO respect of Pilots, F/A's and Mechanics. It's our DUTY as union members to use our only viable OPTION in our arsenal......Strike!!!!!!

GAME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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