Arpey Steps Down?

[TWU informer]

I work as a consultant now, so my opinion won't be worth much to some. What we find works well is having a 50/50 split of insiders/outsiders. Insiders usually see things thru blinders but usually know where the landmines are; outsiders can see the forest thru the trees, but tend to step on the landmines...

My point remains that the results of hiring you and other consultants has resulted in massive losses and if you believe AA Management then the result is also a company on the brink of a Bankruptcy filing.

Great Job!!!!

Be sure and list AA as one of your consulting success stories as you seek out other clients.

ROFL

 

[eolesen]

My point remains that the results of hiring you and other consultants has resulted in massive losses and if you believe AA Management then the result is also a company on the brink of a Bankruptcy filing.

Be sure and list AA as one of your consulting success stories as you seek out other clients.

I think you're confusing generalists and specialty consulting, Dave.

I have not done any paid or unpaid consulting work for AA. My work with airlines has been exclusively outside the US, and we have a specialty that only three or four companies do. HP, IBM and Sabre are the primary competitors in our space. What we all share in common is that we can actually deliver solutions to back up our estimates.

For the type of consulting you guys have complained about, AA has typically hired generalist firms like Oliver Wyman and Accenture, who work for AMR one month, Frito Lay the next, Target the next, and Goodyear the next. That's why they point to manufacturing and retail as comparisons... And with rare exception, they don't have anything to help deliver their recommendations.

AMR will also use guys like ECLAT or SH&E for specialized analysis. As with our specially, there are only a handful of boutique firms doing their type of work. Usually, they're on target, otherwise they wouldn't be brought back.

But more to your point -- AMR isn't losing money because of the consultants. They're losing money because they can't make the tough decisions.

All that a consultant does is present options. It's up to management to act on those options.

 

[Frank Szabo]

Yes Consultants, here at TUL our group just started with a Six Sigma program. I went to school last week to learn how to buld wheelbarrows and learn the process of getting them to a customer. The funny thing about these consultants over the years is that they always key on manufactuering. That might work in the support shops, I will leave that to them. However the hangars repair not manufactuer.

I've laughed about that ever since the push has been on to do all the "greek lettered" programs. Those sound great to those who are interested in the mysterious and do have some value in the "build from scratch" manufacturing but a virtually worthless for any repair process.

Anytime one is dealing with the repair of a product already assembled (in our case, the aircraft and components), the process can no longer be treated as though it were a straight line, as in manufacturing - those of our "management" can't understand that yet I'm hearing they're "airline people" - more like educated idiots.

Mr. Buck, you'd have been well within reason to tell the instructor we need to learn to fix broken wheelbarrows and their components, not build new ones - we buy our wheelbarrows and their components already built from Boeing.

Evidently having a degree, even in basketweaving, means one in management never has to think again to work for an airline - just spend money and cash checks.

 

[Buck]

I've laughed about that ever since the push has been on to do all the "greek lettered" programs. Those sound great to those who are interested in the mysterious and do have some value in the "build from scratch" manufacturing but a virtually worthless for any repair process.

Anytime one is dealing with the repair of a product already assembled (in our case, the aircraft and components), the process can no longer be treated as though it were a straight line, as in manufacturing - those of our "management" can't understand that yet I'm hearing they're "airline people" - more like educated idiots.

Mr. Buck, you'd have been well within reason to tell the instructor we need to learn to fix broken wheelbarrows and their components, not build new ones - we buy our wheelbarrows and their components already built from Boeing.

Evidently having a degree, even in basketweaving, means one in management never has to think again to work for an airline - just spend money and cash checks.

Eric: Accenture=AA's Six Sigma. We do not need consultants to tell management how to make those tough decesions, we have the TWU.

Frank: I and many the rest of the class informed Accenture ( Six Sigma ) just that. They aid just pretend. I guess that is how we repair aircraft we just pretend.

Funny thing when our Quakity Assurance group is this excerise ( me and one other ) shot all the wheelbarrows down by their criteria and produce zero to the customer, The added one complete production to make their formula work.

 

[TWU informer]

Per Topic. Did Arpey Step Down?

 

[Flying low]

Per Topic. Did Arpey Step Down?

Doubt it. If he did, certainly that guy at the Dallas paper would have written about it and it would have been posted here.

 

[Buck]

There is talk from 2010 at this link concerning some shuffle, but nothing statring that he is going to step down Arpey

 

[FWAAA]

There is talk from 2010 at this link concerning some shuffle, but nothing statring that he is going to step down Arpey

Yes, when Horton was promoted to President, I posted on this forum that it looked to me like Arpey's days may have been numbered. So far, 18 months later, my prediction hasn't happened - Arpey is still CEO and Horton is still President and reports to Arpey.

 

[Flying low]

Always heard that Horton is one who wants to get rid of OH and because of Arpy, is the one who wants to keep it. Any truth to that?

 

[Buck]

Always heard that Horton is one who wants to get rid of OH and because of Arpy, is the one who wants to keep it. Any truth to that?

So if the Knight of OH loses his joust, then where is the dividing line between the work groups? Is it truly Line vs. OH, Is it union against non-union or is it as another poster stated the I got mine after the chaos?

 

[eolesen]

Always heard that Horton is one who wants to get rid of OH and because of Arpy, is the one who wants to keep it. Any truth to that?

I have heard the same.

Rather than step down, it's more likely to me that Arpey would step back as Chairman, and pass along the CEO title to Horton.

 

[chris perry]

I have heard the same.

Rather than step down, it's more likely to me that Arpey would step back as Chairman, and pass along the CEO title to Horton.

It's going to take a total house cleaning to get employee's on board at this juncture,anything less we will end up like Eastern...

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

It's going to take a total house cleaning to get employee's on board at this juncture,anything less we will end up like Eastern...

Chris,

I agree. I do not know anyone who I work with, have worked with or meet at AA that has one shread of respect or confidence in Arpey and gang. Even if all labor groups were returned what we LOANED management ot stay out of bankruptcy EIGHT years ago damage has been done to the employees that can NEVER be forgotten with the current Gang of Greed.

 

[Jacobin777]

Chris,

I agree. I do not know anyone who I work with, have worked with or meet at AA that has one shread of respect or confidence in Arpey and gang. Even if all labor groups were returned what we LOANED management ot stay out of bankruptcy EIGHT years ago damage has been done to the employees that can NEVER be forgotten with the current Gang of Greed.

-"LOANED"? What planet are you on buddy? You didn't "loan" anything.

-"Gang of Greed"- Please prove that management have been "greedy" otherwise you are spewing out nothing more than unintellectual tripe.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

-"LOANED"? What planet are you on buddy? You didn't "loan" anything.

-"Gang of Greed"- Please prove that management have been "greedy" otherwise you are spewing out nothing more than unintellectual tripe.

Loaned. As in I never said I would take permanent cuts in pay and benefits looking to add more cuts in pay and benefits down the road.

Gand of Greed. When someone says they need ME to take a cut in pay and benefits only to turn around give themselves bonuses whil I burden the UNshared sacrifice I call THAT greed.

I see that you either are Arpey himself or the only one at AA that thinks he is worthy of leading a (once great) airline like AA.