Ken MacTiernan
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As per another thread digressing from the original topic what is your thought on Article 32? :unsure:
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Pure BS. It's all just CYA for the company to try and prevent lawsuits. However, what they've created is a method for employees to destroy the careers of fellow co-workers. I've seen it happen first hand. All you need is a good story and a buddy that will act as your "witness".
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Ken MacTiernan said:
Article #32 " Boards of Adjustment"
Yes, it is very important to our TWU/AA Agreement....... 😉
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High Speed Steel said:
hss, care to elaborate? Just asking, not attacking.
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There are always a few bad apples who ruin it for the whole bunch. AA, like any other company has to spell out the rules to cover every variance otherwise some lawyer will come up with something to the effect of “well you honor, my client did not know that placing a noose along with a rebel flag would be hurt full to someone.†Just as there are some folks in a management position who do not know better than to take advantage of that position.
Why do you think AA come out with the “new†sick policy? Apparently some folks “did not know†that they could not D2 when they were supposed to be at work. Go figure. Here I though that was just common sense. And yet there are still ways around it that abide by the letter of the policy, but violate the intent. Guess that’s job security for the management that everyone hates. Why we keep making more work to justify their existence I will never know.
That is, in my opinion why the Rule 32 was invented and put into effect. Stupid? Yes! Childish? Yes! Needed because there are idiots who were allowed to breed who are among us? Unfortunately yes!
I agree with MJK that it can and has been abused but in a society where a judge and jury do not have the balls to tell some B1tch with a cup of coffee in her lap to get a freaking car mug and that yes lady, coffee IS HOT what can you expect a company to do? The board of directors wants their collective a$$ protected and the lawyers are there to protect them. Now who will protect us from the lawyers I don’t know.
Why do you think AA come out with the “new†sick policy? Apparently some folks “did not know†that they could not D2 when they were supposed to be at work. Go figure. Here I though that was just common sense. And yet there are still ways around it that abide by the letter of the policy, but violate the intent. Guess that’s job security for the management that everyone hates. Why we keep making more work to justify their existence I will never know.
That is, in my opinion why the Rule 32 was invented and put into effect. Stupid? Yes! Childish? Yes! Needed because there are idiots who were allowed to breed who are among us? Unfortunately yes!
I agree with MJK that it can and has been abused but in a society where a judge and jury do not have the balls to tell some B1tch with a cup of coffee in her lap to get a freaking car mug and that yes lady, coffee IS HOT what can you expect a company to do? The board of directors wants their collective a$$ protected and the lawyers are there to protect them. Now who will protect us from the lawyers I don’t know.
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Ken MacTiernan said:
Just another sign of the sick corporate culture that exists at AA. Nazi Police State type program. No surprise.
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Garfield1966 said:
😛h34r: I think that they are reiterating their sick policy and implying that it will be heavily monitored and enforced, is so that when they "give" our 1/2 day of sick day pay back (and I think it will be this and our Holidays that will be part of the bone AA throws us at the early contract opening) it will not cost AA anything because people will reconsider (or suffer from) the consequences of calling in sick. 😱
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I disagree. My understanding is that this past holiday season were terminated for violations of the sick policy (specially traveling while sick). All those who were terminated were rehired because the policy did not spell out that we could not travel while on the sick list.
Not sure what repercussions you are referring to. I have never been questioned why I was on the sick list or been given any type of “3rd Degree†when I was sick. But then again, I do not go out sick before or after my vacation, holidays, weekends or stuff like that which will raise flags.
If you do not want your half day of sick pay back, I am sure there is an organization that would be more than willing to take your donation of that excess cash you get when you go out sick.
I for one can put any extra cash I get to very good use.
Not sure what repercussions you are referring to. I have never been questioned why I was on the sick list or been given any type of “3rd Degree†when I was sick. But then again, I do not go out sick before or after my vacation, holidays, weekends or stuff like that which will raise flags.
If you do not want your half day of sick pay back, I am sure there is an organization that would be more than willing to take your donation of that excess cash you get when you go out sick.
I for one can put any extra cash I get to very good use.
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CapnCockroach said:
No, it's just a reaction to the fact that there are still a very small group of people who will use any loophole possible to avoid being held responsibility for their own actions.
Traveling while on the sick list is a great example of people abusing a loophole in the policy language.
How about the FSC who was out on a back injury and caught on videotape working a side job as a bricklayer. Should he be exonerated because the sick leave policy doesn't prohibit him from being a bricklayer while also collecting disability or workman's comp?...
Before you blame this on the corporate culture at AA, why not go take a look at some other companies policies & procedures? I don't think you'll find too many examples within the Fortune 500 who don't have similar prohibitions on hate related behavior (Rule 32) or attendance control.
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Garfield1966 said:
:unsure: Everyone at TUL is being re-informed about the sick call-in policy and the repercussions of violating them. We are also introduced to a NEW manager over this department and her underling that will be interrogating us EACH and EVERY time that we call in sick, no matter the reason.
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The attendance policy is not germane to this thread so I will not get into that other than to say that I used it as an example of why companies may react the way they do. As FM said, there are those who find loop holes in everything and there are those who will try and sue or claim “ignorance†at the drop of a hat. They are the ones who create the need for oppressive policies. I seriously doubt AA much less any company chooses to waste money on this crap just for the hell of it. I am sure that there is some conspiracy advocate out there who thinks the company is out to get them but I guess everyone needs a hobby
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FM,
"Before you blame this on the corporate culture at AA, why not go take a look at some other companies policies & procedures? I don't think you'll find too many examples within the Fortune 500 who don't have similar prohibitions on hate related behavior (Rule 32) or attendance control."
I think before looking at other companies people should first look at themselves. Accountability is something that society is trying to get around. (Lawyers and jurys are leading the way in this matter.) Someone used the example of the old lady that burned herself with hot coffee and sued. I feel for this old woman hurting herself. But where does common sense come in?
I have gone out for fast food as much as the next person has. And several times after getting home I have discovered that damn it, they didn't give me my full order. Whose fault is it? It is mine because I did not check my order before driving away. I blame myself.
Now, for someone to willingly fly while sick or to claim to be injured on the job only to be caught off the job doing work that would be prevented due to that person's "injury" is BS.
Does AA, or any company for that matter need a Rule 32? Yes, they do. Does that rule get abused? Yes, it does. :angry:
"Before you blame this on the corporate culture at AA, why not go take a look at some other companies policies & procedures? I don't think you'll find too many examples within the Fortune 500 who don't have similar prohibitions on hate related behavior (Rule 32) or attendance control."
I think before looking at other companies people should first look at themselves. Accountability is something that society is trying to get around. (Lawyers and jurys are leading the way in this matter.) Someone used the example of the old lady that burned herself with hot coffee and sued. I feel for this old woman hurting herself. But where does common sense come in?
I have gone out for fast food as much as the next person has. And several times after getting home I have discovered that damn it, they didn't give me my full order. Whose fault is it? It is mine because I did not check my order before driving away. I blame myself.
Now, for someone to willingly fly while sick or to claim to be injured on the job only to be caught off the job doing work that would be prevented due to that person's "injury" is BS.
Does AA, or any company for that matter need a Rule 32? Yes, they do. Does that rule get abused? Yes, it does. :angry:
Here at DFW there have been quite a few people fired for abusing their Family Leave benefits. A lot of FSC's will use a FML to skip AA work only to go to work at another job. But, for some reason they all get their jobs back with full back pay, one guy even got a letter of apology from AA. They all stated that they had doctor's notes and verification thay they could work other jobs since the other job didn't involve them doing something that kept them from working at AA. So in other words, if you use a Family Leave day at AA becasue your back hurts or your sinus's are acting up, you can still go to your other job which has you indoors behind a desk not lifting things. Doesn't seen right.
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