Does this one certificate mean, West crews can fly an East ship, and East fly an West ship? Not the wide body a/c. Is there provisions in the pilots contracts, or fa contracts that would prohibit this? I am not talking about mixed crews, rather flying different ships during irregular operations, swaps? Will this ever happen, or will the company keep them seperate until negotiations are complete? 🙂
As one US are we allowed?
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Thanks Jim. There was talk on the West that this could possibly happen in PHX, when a RON a/c is sitting around, and a West crew could take the a/c, or East during busy time in PHX on a m/x delay and such. Also, West fa's and pilots working the A321 soon?
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We'll never be one.....
I guess that is why you are an OLD GUY IN PA!??? 😱 Great attitude, or old US Air one! I for one am happy we are ONE airline for once!!!!!!
And no KoolAid here, sick of the lousy negativity. East or West, We take care of each other, bottom line, and that is all that counts! 🙂And to add, I complain like everyone else here, or elsewhere, but I am glad we are finally US Airways. I am sorry for all the Piedmont, Alleghany, and PSA folks, that OUR airlines were taken over, etc. But I am looking toward the future and not back! So how bout those contracts????? 
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The way I see it, OldPaGuy is right.And to add, I complain like everyone else here, or elsewhere, but I am glad we are finally US Airways. I am sorry for all the Piedmont, Alleghany, and PSA folks, that OUR airlines were taken over, etc. But I am looking toward the future and not back! So how bout those contracts?????
Piedmont, Allegheny, PSA, Trump is US Airways--you are right about that.
America West feels very foreign in culture, mission, vision, and philosophy.
I don't see us being one, unfortunately. 'tear'
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Isn't the emergency equipment in different locations for West and East? That would mean cross-training first.
Also, East crews stay together, while West crews don't, so there may be a scheduling conflict.
What about catering? Let's totally confuse those poor folks! :blink:
Also, East crews stay together, while West crews don't, so there may be a scheduling conflict.
What about catering? Let's totally confuse those poor folks! :blink:
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We already have the same catering. But lets face it, they were confused before this merger in MANY stations. Emergency equip for F/A has been standardized--East and West now have the same manual. It was one of the items we had to do for the FAA to get a single certificate.
Okay you are talking about the mgmt. I am trully sorry that Tempe remained in positions. We need to move on. Even if it feels a big America West Airlines, the name hurts.... We should be united, not held back by bitterness. 🙁 We are US Airways now!
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THEY FINALLY GOT ONE THING RIGHT
US Airways was officially granted a single operating certificate yesterday by the FAA . In what one FAA official called a, "model of how mergers can be done in the future", the Company officially began operating under one certificate at 12:01 am PHX time.
What does the single operating certificate actually do for the individual Flight Attendants of the two carriers? Nothing.
For Flight Attendants and passengers the "virtual" merger of the two carriers will continue until the single agreement contract negotiation are completed for Flight Attendants and other labor groups and the agreements are ratified by the memberships. The Flight Attendant Transition Agreement separating the flying by East and West metal will continue as will the current contracts of both Flight Attendant groups.
Unfortunately the Company has not put the same commitment into reaching an agreement through negotiations as they have in obtaining the single operating certificate. The Company has also failed their customers through poor performance this summer.
The Company needs to recognize that we are not in concessionary bargaining anymore and will have to put just as much effort and money into negotiating a single agreement for the Flight Attendants at US Airways.
The Company also must quickly improve operations or the people who pay all of our salaries won’t come back and FLY WITH US.
Both of these tasks must be accomplished before anyone else can say this is a “model of how mergers can be done in the future.â€
Thank you,
Mike Flores, President
The US Airways Master Executive Council
AFA-CWA
US Airways was officially granted a single operating certificate yesterday by the FAA . In what one FAA official called a, "model of how mergers can be done in the future", the Company officially began operating under one certificate at 12:01 am PHX time.
What does the single operating certificate actually do for the individual Flight Attendants of the two carriers? Nothing.
For Flight Attendants and passengers the "virtual" merger of the two carriers will continue until the single agreement contract negotiation are completed for Flight Attendants and other labor groups and the agreements are ratified by the memberships. The Flight Attendant Transition Agreement separating the flying by East and West metal will continue as will the current contracts of both Flight Attendant groups.
Unfortunately the Company has not put the same commitment into reaching an agreement through negotiations as they have in obtaining the single operating certificate. The Company has also failed their customers through poor performance this summer.
The Company needs to recognize that we are not in concessionary bargaining anymore and will have to put just as much effort and money into negotiating a single agreement for the Flight Attendants at US Airways.
The Company also must quickly improve operations or the people who pay all of our salaries won’t come back and FLY WITH US.
Both of these tasks must be accomplished before anyone else can say this is a “model of how mergers can be done in the future.â€
Thank you,
Mike Flores, President
The US Airways Master Executive Council
AFA-CWA
If only we would integrate things the right way. The FOS/DECS cutover was near flawless . Do you see what happens when you use a truly professional system. Compare that with the qik/shares res migration which was handled by a bunch of amateurs and still doesn't work correctly nearly 8 months later. So far the FOS/DECS migration has been the only decision Tempe has gotten correct. Now if they would only correct their screwups like qik/shares and sceptre.
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AFA UPDATE SEPTEMBER 27, 2007
Two years ago today, US Airways officially exited bankruptcy and merged with America West Airlines creating the 5th largest airline in the United States . CEO Doug Parker was quoted back then as saying, "Today we start a new chapter in aviation history,â€.... â€This is a great day for the employees of America West and US Airways as well as for the people in the hundreds of communities we serve."
These words were as hollow sounding then as they are today. Two years into the merger and nineteen months into the negotiation process for a single agreement, Flight Attendants have yet to see the tangible rewards of a contract that addresses the gross disparities and inequities in compensation and pay. Flight Attendants have endured two years of countless procedural changes and yet have not seen the benefits that a single collective bargaining agreement would bring.
The "Cost Neutral" mentality the pervaded management's bargaining strategy in 2005 still is evident today as the AFA Joint Negotiating Committee continues to fight for contractual improvements for all flight attendants at US Airways.
On Tuesday the Federal Aviation Administration issued a Single Operating Certificate to US Airways' completing another step in the operational merger process. Bill Banks, manager of the FAA's US Airways Certificate Management Office, called this event a model "for how mergers can be done in the future."
Let’s hope not. The America West/US Airways merger, built largely in part on the back of labor, has not been a "merger model" for flight attendants or other employees groups.
Until management comes to terms with the fact that this merger will not be complete until labor contracts that address pay increases along with work rule and benefit enhancements are negotiated and then ratified by the membership, flight attendants will never consider this merger anniversary to be a "great day" or a "model" of anything other than one of how not to merge.
Gary Richardson
MEC President-AWA
AFA-CWA
Two years ago today, US Airways officially exited bankruptcy and merged with America West Airlines creating the 5th largest airline in the United States . CEO Doug Parker was quoted back then as saying, "Today we start a new chapter in aviation history,â€.... â€This is a great day for the employees of America West and US Airways as well as for the people in the hundreds of communities we serve."
These words were as hollow sounding then as they are today. Two years into the merger and nineteen months into the negotiation process for a single agreement, Flight Attendants have yet to see the tangible rewards of a contract that addresses the gross disparities and inequities in compensation and pay. Flight Attendants have endured two years of countless procedural changes and yet have not seen the benefits that a single collective bargaining agreement would bring.
The "Cost Neutral" mentality the pervaded management's bargaining strategy in 2005 still is evident today as the AFA Joint Negotiating Committee continues to fight for contractual improvements for all flight attendants at US Airways.
On Tuesday the Federal Aviation Administration issued a Single Operating Certificate to US Airways' completing another step in the operational merger process. Bill Banks, manager of the FAA's US Airways Certificate Management Office, called this event a model "for how mergers can be done in the future."
Let’s hope not. The America West/US Airways merger, built largely in part on the back of labor, has not been a "merger model" for flight attendants or other employees groups.
Until management comes to terms with the fact that this merger will not be complete until labor contracts that address pay increases along with work rule and benefit enhancements are negotiated and then ratified by the membership, flight attendants will never consider this merger anniversary to be a "great day" or a "model" of anything other than one of how not to merge.
Gary Richardson
MEC President-AWA
AFA-CWA
