Atheism

[SparrowHawk]

Personally, I'm OK with Wicca and most of the Earth based religions offering a prayer honoring those who served their country. I find many of the Native Americans religious views to be quite interesting. Perhaps having the blessings of other faiths would speak to why those who fought and died did so.

As to the last sentence of the post, Courts are starting to back away from that viewpoint. IMO it's perfectly fine to allow a pastor to speak, which is what the court ruled. I think where you would have a real legal issue would be if you had a Tribal holy man who wanted to offer a prayer in honor of our servicemen/women and the VA denied him and only allowed the Pastor to speak.

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[Ms Tree]

I'm not because I think it violates the COTUS. Give a moment of silence and everyone present can commemorate the fallen (or what ever the case may be) in what ever way they and their belief see fit.

The lower courts may or may not be moving. I do not think there is enough case law to support it one way or the other. Should a case be important enough to be appealed to the COTUS that may change.

I'll ask my question again. Why do you believe people of faith feel it necessary to proclaim their faith in a pubic venue (10 commandments in court, prayer in school, Christmas trees on public land .. etc.) Why is faith and displays of it not relegated to private property or private institutions?

 

[SparrowHawk]

I'll ask my question again. Why do you believe people of faith feel it necessary to proclaim their faith in a pubic venue (10 commandments in court, prayer in school, Christmas trees on public land .. etc.) Why is faith and displays of it not relegated to private property or private institutions?

I've indirectly answered your question several times. Not my fault you're blinded by hatred of religion.

If a nation is founded upon the concept of a creator (That would be a God Head of some type) conferring certain unalienable right to it's citizens it clearly states that we are a nation of God and by default prayer. Equally clear was their desire to have a country without a state sponsored religion like the Church of England or the Islamic Republics like Iran.

We have such a country, we always have. We have no state sanctioned religion. A de facto religion of Christians perhaps. Serpent Handlers, Fundamentalist Mormons, Santa Ria, Wicca, Paganism all survive generally without persecution even though some have been outlawed.

Somehow debating this seems like rearranging Deck Chairs on the Titanic while the Empty Suit steers us into Iceberg after Iceberg. It's yet another Progressive attempt to distract us from the Fact that the Empty Suit is ruining the United States,

 

[Ms Tree]

The DoI only mentions a creator once and god once. Given the fact that quite a few were Diest I do not think their versio of god was the same as yours. The COTUS makes no mention of any creator. The fact that the COTUS grants religious freedom does not answer the question of why people feel the need to broadcast their religion and place it in the public eye at every opportunity.

Christianity has become far more than a de facto religion as you so quaintly put it.

I'm not sure about you but I think all rights are important. I have the ability to be concerned about the Patriot act, the national debt, gay rights and religious freedom at the same time. This is the age of multi tasking.

 

[dapoes]

Oh good grief. Like a god is going to restore someones faith with money? Seriously? What kind of idiots would believe this?

God and the Lotto. Seriously?

Sooooooooooo.....you post the same story after I did in an same thread? Seriously? Hey fraud boy, you still aren't kidding anyone with your phony ignore buttons. You are just afraid to debate me as I shamed you so many times you cut and run like a little bi*&h that you are. Bravo furball, bravo!

 

[SparrowHawk]

The DoI only mentions a creator once and god once. Given the fact that quite a few were Diest I do not think their versio of god was the same as yours. The COTUS makes no mention of any creator. The fact that the COTUS grants religious freedom does not answer the question of why people feel the need to broadcast their religion and place it in the public eye at every opportunity.

Christianity has become far more than a de facto religion as you so quaintly put it.

I'm not sure about you but I think all rights are important. I have the ability to be concerned about the Patriot act, the national debt, gay rights and religious freedom at the same time. This is the age of multi tasking.

There is a perfectly good reason and if don't know what it is, I'm not telling you. I will give you a hint though.

HINT:Evangelical, look up the definition, you'll have your answer.

You're on here non stop with you Christian hating agenda and that's certainly your right. just don't act surprised when some people get pissed off. You opened the thread, did you think it would be all hats and horns?

I honestly don't care who you screw, pray to or don't pray to, just don't act surprised that when you insult my faith daily that I'm not going to react. See I'm not Jesus, so his turn the other cheek thing has never really worked well for me. Thankfully he is very forgiving.

If you'll pardon me I have the urge to go cling to my guns and religion now. I can only handle being with an atheist but so long before either nausea or the urge to drink adult beverages becomes overwhelming.

 

[Ms Tree]

I know that. It amounts to an advertising campaign to get more believers. Wanted to see if someone would admit it.

Not my thread. I do not hate religion and I deify you to show a quote where I say that. I have examined religion to my satisfaction and had concluded I have no use for it. I just want religion out of the public sector. I fail to see how that exhibits hatred. How on earth is your faith being insulted any ones problem but your own?

I get the same nausea feeling about believers.

Enjoy your evening.

 

[dapoes]

Gallup Poll: More than 9 in 10 Americans continue to believe in God: Worth repeating. http://bit.ly/jB8Krz

 

[SparrowHawk]

I know that. It amounts to an advertising campaign to get more believers. Wanted to see if someone would admit it.

Not my thread. I do not hate religion and I deify you to show a quote where I say that. I have examined religion to my satisfaction and had concluded I have no use for it. I just want religion out of the public sector. I fail to see how that exhibits hatred. How on earth is your faith being insulted any ones problem but your own?

I get the same nausea feeling about believers.

Enjoy your evening.

You don't have to say it outright, your views and actions speak volumes.

 

[Ms Tree]

Ah. So even though I have not said what you claim I feel you are still assuming it to be true.

Must be a Libertarian trait.

I do not hate religion. I have no use for it. I do hate religion intersecting its dogmas into the public sector.

Keep your beliefs in the private sector and out of my life and we won't have problems. So long as you seek to force your beliefs into my life we will continue to fight it in court.

 

[dapoes]

So long as you seek to force your beliefs into my life we will continue to fight it in court.

Denied!

 Court lifts ban on public prayer at Texas high school graduation http://bit.ly/ip7pC2

 

[Ms Tree]

gallup poll

9 out of 10 believe in God. Down 6% from 1967.

My guess is that the numbers will be quite different if asked about support/participation in an organized religion.

 

[dapoes]

gallup poll

9 out of 10 believe in God. Down 6% from 1967.

My guess is that the numbers will be quite different if asked about support/participation in an organized religion.

Keep guessing tool boy, keep guessing.

 

[SparrowHawk]

gallup poll

9 out of 10 believe in God. Down 6% from 1967.

My guess is that the numbers will be quite different if asked about support/participation in an organized religion.

What about a disorganized religion? LOL Ever been to a Board of Trustee's meeting? Organized? Where?

The above is why I often say "I'm pretty much cured of church, just not of faith" Haven't been in church in years unless you count funerals and weddings.

 

[Ms Tree]

I have not been to temple since my barmitzvah when i was 14. Learning about the sciences cured me of my faith.

Never been to a board meeting or anything. I have never played well with management types.