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[groundcontrol]

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Except the mechanics at NWA were, effectively, forced out of their jobs. The positions were not abandoned.

You are exactly correct>>>>>>>>>>>>

Northwest mechanics were forced out of work....
All pass keys and airport ID at all stations were taken from each mechanic (I have the paperwork signed by the manager to prove what was taken from me) we were also physically removed from the property by managemen...thus forcing a lockout and then a strike....

That's also how my unemployment agent sees it. Unemployment was set up to protect the worker....I would never move to Minnesota (again) knowing that they care so little of their people.

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

The NWA mechanics strike is indeed an illegal lockout in violation of the railway labor act. NWA also violated the RLA by training scabs(thru a scab vendor)well before negotiations were declared at an impasse.

 

[robbedagain]

sounds like AMFA should sue the he!! out of nwa mgmt and try to force them to get AMFA's jobs back

 

[CSAR GYRENE]

Except the mechanics at NWA were, effectively, forced out of their jobs. The positions were not abandoned.

Child endangerment? What in the hell are you talking about?

Correct me if Im wrong, but Didnt all the strikers have the option of not participating?
Let me put it this way...if the strike never happened, but the 53% still got laid off, with a decent severence package, I not only would have supported them, I would have been more than happy to help out in any way I could. There is no getting around the fact that there was no gun to anybody's head to strike. It ws a CHOICE. Granted a difficult one, I'll give you that, but a choice nonetheless.
As to the child endangerment, actually, the term I used was "neglect". I was accused of taking food from babies mouths. That is the willful neglect of a child, which is punishable by law. If you have knowledge of such a crime, are you not obligated as a concerned citizen to report it?
OK, OK, I know its pure hyperbole...But what better way to demonstrate hyperbole, than by using it right back?

 

[CSAR GYRENE]

He has a flare for hyperbole Saabmeister. A union voting to go on strike is NOT abandoning a job unless you live in the "ME FIRST" world of replacement workers.

Going on strike is a decision to die on your feet as opposed to living on your knees. Any snake can slither into a sunny spot for awhile before it slithers back under the rock from which it came.

As for CSAR's child endangerment comment I feel it is CSAR who should be charged with Child Endangerment as his decision to cross a picket line and willfully & knowingly take another family man's or women's job put that man's family in jeopardy.

You can take the money and run CSAR but I suggest you prepare yourself for the great day when you can't take money and buy your way.

Organized Labor should be the "Check" that keeps naked greed and capitalism from running amok. But between the allegded leadership of the AFL-CIO and the conduct of replacement workers, Corporate America has little to fear. Who speaks for those of who make a living often by the sweat of our brow? Currently no one does IMO.

At last!!! I had given up hope that anyone even knew the meaning of hyperbole any more! I do admit to being a literalist from time to time. Words mean things, and if your gonna make such silly statements as that, I'm gona call ya on it. No harm, no foul. Hyperbole, sarcasm, and gentle needling are all tools of an edept statesman.
now, about taking the money and running...somewhere in one of these posts, I very pointedly point out that the very reason I stayed was because I refused to do just that. I dont run from a fight...I LIKE IT!

For those who have fought for it, freedom has a sweet taste the timid shall never know.

 

[CSAR GYRENE]

Bear96,

The so called "Religous Right" is correct on one thing. The decline of morals, values & ethics is now begining to tear at our social fabric. One need look no further then the AMFA picket lines and those who cross to gain first hand evidence.

We as a society worship false Gods. The Gods of "Me First" & "Immediate Gratification" are 2 that come to mind whilst the Commandment to "Love your neighbor as yourself" lays bleeding, cold and starving like some tramp on the street. I would like to ask the "replacement's" on here to politely explain how their actions demonstrates exactly how they are loving their neighbors as themselves?

I would also love to know how many of them went to church last Sunday and professed their love of Jesus, while ignoring one of the basic tenets of the faith.

Christ threw the Money Lenders from the Temple NOT because they were Sinners but because they were Hypocrits. So again I would ask the "Replacements", "What would you give in exchange for your soul?"

You are very correcet in stating that our moral fabric is being torn assunder, but let me ask you this...what is more damaging to our children...the constant barrage of violence, obscenities, filth and hatred spewed forth on a monumental scale by big media and big hollywood, or the fact that some retired united guy, or laid off pemco inspecter, or veteran contractor happens to take a job left vacant by strikers?
Instant gratification? Dude, hate to tell ya this, bu tI'm in this for the long haul, for better or worse. If ya want to stop me, Ya gotta destroy me.
Speaking of hypocrites, how is 'Loving ty nieghbor" demonstrated by Comparing me to rapists? By false accusations of pencil whipping? by threats and pathetic attempts at intimidation? I challenge you to go back over all these posts, OBJECTIVELY, and tell me on which side most of the hatred has come, as opposed to which side uses comon sense, logic and humor to make a point.
It is also written that man cannot serve two masters, for he will come to love the one, and hate the other. how many here has a union as master, as opposed to the almighty?
As to my soul, while I thank you for your concern, that is between me and my maker. I stand ready to atone for all my sins....do you?

 

[groundcontrol]

<<<<<<<<QUOTE>>>>>>>>>>>>Correct me if Im wrong, but Didnt all the strikers have the option of not participating?
Let me put it this way...if the strike never happened, but the 53% still got laid off, with a decent severence package, I not only would have supported them, I would have been more than happy to help out in any way I could. There is no getting around the fact that there was no gun to anybody's head to strike. It ws a CHOICE. Granted a difficult one, I'll give you that, but a choice nonetheless.

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No choice for me.....How could I show up for work when they took my parking away and no way to enter the airport. They didn't want me to show up!!!! <_<

WHY???? :blink:

Because NWA would have egg on their faces when you scabs showed up to do MY JOB as well as me showing up to do MY JOB. Yep they made sure I wasn't showing up for work no way no how.....THEY FORCED A STRIKE....PERIOD....

YOU"RE WRONG......I"M RIGHT.....

You can say and think whatever you have to in order for you to continue living without having your concience bother you...but you my evil job stealer are wrong...and you are a scab and you will always be branded a scab...and your concience will catch up with you soon..... 😉

 

[Opus]

Ok, I can see this could go on all day, so I will try and narrow the scope a bit. Are the two examples I gave "bootlicking"? Can you give me SPECIFIC examples of ON THE JOB occurrences, that would constitute "bootlicking"?, or are you just going to spout more meaningless name calling?
Also, keep this in mind. It is highly unlikely that I will convince you of my point of view, and it is equally unlikely that I will agree with you. Having said that, the next logical question would be, "Why do we continue to post?" Keep in mind that there are many who read these boards who may be undecided about unionism vice right to work. If you were fairly objective, yet knew little of labor relations, whose posts would stand out as the most articulate and common sensical, and whose posts would more likely resemble the hate-filled ramblings of a quasi religious fanatic? Or is there some sort of middle eground upon which we can agree?

My job is to help deliver a quality aircraft on time, on target....WHATS YOURS?

My job is also to help insure that a quality aircraft is delivered ON TIME with SAFETY THE PRIMARY CONCERN. My supervisors have called me a performer and a go getter. I work FOR the best interest of NWA. Having said that you have asked for specific examples of "bootlicking" although it is a term I find deplorable I will give you some specific examples of "bootlicking"
1. Throwing nails in a roadway in order to disable vehicles and gain the praise of jobless lay abouts. BOOTLICKING
2. Stomping in a circle 2 or 3 people at a time shouting "LOOSER LOOSER" to gain the praise of union management people who told them to walk off their jobs when these union management people have deserted their union brothers and sisters. BOOTLICKING
3. Showing up to picket only when there is prearranged news photo ops. BOOTLICKING
4. Physically harassing hard working people on their way to work in order to gain the praise of a group of jobless individuals. BOOTLICKING
5. Seeking the praise of union management people by following them into a doomed strike. BOOTLICKING

Working for the betterment of the company you work for and doing quality work and caring about the quality of the work you do and not wasting the companies money by not working hard is not and can never be bootlicking.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

You are quite right sir. To all those who were offended by my rather thoughtless statement. I truely appoligize. I appriciate someone who can call a spade a spade. I will take your words to heart and try to curve my statements.
How very astute of you to deduce that I am from the south. However, much to the misconseption, I was not tought to hate anything, let alone Blacks, which I might add that my adopted sister was, and unfortunately she was Murdered on Christmas eve 04. Do not ever accuse me of being racist again. And just to clerify I was never tought to hate Unions. Quite the opposite actually. My Father is very big on Unions, and while the way I got my foot in the door put trumendus strain on our relationship, even he admits that going on strike when replacements were on standby was foolish.

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Jet Tech,

First off, I never called you a racist !!!!!!!!!

Therefore "DO NOT EVER accuse me of calling YOU a racist"

Secondly, If your Not from south of the Mason Dixon line, then I'm WRONG.

But because I "suspected" you "might" be.......AND your not saying, then the possibility STILL exist's.

As far as the majority of the "segragated" South goes, Well I'll let HISTORY decide if my "assumption" is correct.

Either way, surely you don't think that racism ENDED the very next day, after the Civil Rights Law was signed into effect by President Johnson, in the mid 60's ????


NH/BB's

 

[PlayTheOdds]

groundcontrol, are you a mechanic?

 

[Kev3188]

YUP

Wow...that not only makes you morally bankrupt, but fiscally inept as well.

(to take a page from your playbook) My job is now constant service recovery due to systemic MTX failures. WHAT'S YOURS?

 

[PlayTheOdds]

Is it really that bad Kev?

I also turned down an overseas position. I just didn't trust the contract company.

 

[Kev3188]

Is it really that bad Kev?

Actually, yes.

 

[Jet Tech]

He has a flare for hyperbole Saabmeister. A union voting to go on strike is NOT abandoning a job unless you live in the "ME FIRST" world of replacement workers.

Going on strike is a decision to die on your feet as opposed to living on your knees. Any snake can slither into a sunny spot for awhile before it slithers back under the rock from which it came.

As for CSAR's child endangerment comment I feel it is CSAR who should be charged with Child Endangerment as his decision to cross a picket line and willfully & knowingly take another family man's or women's job put that man's family in jeopardy.

You can take the money and run CSAR but I suggest you prepare yourself for the great day when you can't take money and buy your way.

Organized Labor should be the "Check" that keeps naked greed and capitalism from running amok. But between the allegded leadership of the AFL-CIO and the conduct of replacement workers, Corporate America has little to fear. Who speaks for those of who make a living often by the sweat of our brow? Currently no one does IMO.

For someone who insn't a die hard Union Man, you sure do alot of boasting for them.

 

[Hackman]

Is it really that bad Kev?

I also turned down an overseas position. I just didn't trust the contract company.

But you trust Scab Air management 'Cods???? :blink: :blink: