Depending on how one defines a spoke, the count may vary, but the numbers is substantial nonetheless.
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Agreed. Suffice it to say that the vast majority of Admirals Clubs are located in spoke cities (as opposed to hub cities).
Two of those are international destinations. MCI used to be a TWA hub so I'm guessing the Admirals Club there is an old Ambassador's Club, BNA used to be a hub, EWR used to have a much more extensive trans-con schedule than it does today, and Denver is a much larger city with a much busier airport than AUS.
The Nashville club just opened this year (they did have one until around 2001, though).
Point is that Austin being a spoke with an Admiral's Club isn't anything special. There are plenty of spokes with AAs.
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Cities with a lot of top tiers will be considered for a club. Despite all the cuts, BNA still has a lot of top tiers. Same thing in PHX and SNA. Not exactly hotbeds for AA schedule-wise, but they've got fairly decent top tier populations who call it home.
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Well I'm sure ..Everyone is Proud of their "spoke" city
I know I am, of mine...BOS.
Maybe Eric, you or another "in the know person"(NO Sarcasm here), can list the TOP 20 $$$ producing "spoke cities" for Domestic AA travel.
In other words.............NO HUBS, or NO International travel from a "spoke" like JFK or BOS.
Curious minds(I'm sure) would like to know !
I'll agree, to a certain extent, this "Number crunching" will reveal no earth shattering results(EX: BOS/LGA/EWR/PHL/DCA/LAX/SFO/SJU/HNL,...but that is 9 out of a possible "20", curious as to the other "11" !
Agreed, but you've gotta be thinkin' of some other city besides PHX - that club closed in 2001, IIRC.
ATL and PHL are great examples of spoke cities with clubs, along with DEN and SAN.
SJC's club is probably endangered, given the now-absence of international flights and the dearth of domestic flights these days.
MCI had a club before the TWA purchase. RDU also has a club which likely would be there regardless of the former hub status as it has some good business traffic.
The decision to have a club is based on a myriad of factors. One being the type of traffic being served. For West coast cities, most AA flights are pretty long and serve a lot of business travelers. Having a club gives them a place to go before or after a long flight to connect to the internet and get something to drink and peace & quiet...
The decision to have a club is based on a myriad of factors. One being the type of traffic being served. For West coast cities, most AA flights are pretty long and serve a lot of business travelers. Having a club gives them a place to go before or after a long flight to connect to the internet and get something to drink and peace & quiet...
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Oops. I meant PHL.... it's the only remaining domestic club that's outside security.
I'd forgotten about the PHX club. Last time I was there had to be in the late 80's -- had a great view from the ticket counter side of security overlooking the ramp.
Bears, I don't have anything current (and wouldn't release it if I did...), but here's the top 15 from a presentation I saw several years back:
> LGA, LAX, BOS, SJC, JFK, SFO, SNA, DCA,
> AUS, SAN, EWR, RDU, SJU, ATL, LAS
Notice that PHL & HNL (on your list) don't make this list...
If you rank it by top tiers as a percentage of travelers, it's a different story, and that's where the revenue comes into play... All of the cities below had more than 20% of their local originating pax as either Gold, Platinum, or Ex Platinum:
> HPN, XNA, SNA, AUS, SJC, IAH, STL, LGA
> SFO, HOU, DCA, CVG, MSP, ATL, RDU
Again, it's dated, but you can see a few surprises present and missing on both lists.
So Bear96 what was that about AA not contributing its far share of revenue to the AA system? Oh right, we do and we are still getting the axe.
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I presume you meant "what was that about *AUS* not contributing its fair share . . . "
When did I say AUS is not contributing its "fair share"? I was questioning whether it is really "one of the most profitable stations in the AA system." Neither you nor I know that.
You appear to be implying that AUS is a gold mine and every flight there is extremely profitable, yet AA is cutting flights there because . . . because . . . hmmm, why do you think AA would be doing this, exactly? What would be the motive to reduce profitable flights and shift equipment to less profitable routes? Help me out here.
I am merely suggesting that if flights are being cut, perhaps AUS isn't as profitable as you seem to think.
(BTW, the stats you quoted do not prove that AUS is one of the most profitable stations in the AA system.)
It's one of the largest stations based on passengers arriving and departing and it happens to have one of the largest share of elite flyers in the AA system. While specific break downs on individual route profitability are closely guarded, I think it would be safe to assume that those two pieces of information that AUS is a very profitable and lucrative market for AA. There is a reason that they launched those routes in the first place, but apparently oil and AUS schedule dependency on the Super 80 has taken its toll.
Obviously the bean counters disagree with you and decided that redeploying the recourses elsewhere will be more profitable.
These two statements are totally unrelated. Plenty of elite flyers buy cheap fares and are not profitable. Volume of traffic has nothing to do with profitability of the route. Clearly, AA is not making money on the routes that it is cutting. Is there any other rational explanation for what they are doing?
