Aviation Record: Mechanics rate $50 / Hour barrier Surpassed By TEAMSTERS

[700UW]

Nope, I was asking a question. If you want UPS wages, you have to have UPS work rules.

Its simple, isnt it?

 

[Bob Owens]

Nope, I was asking a question. If you want UPS wages, you have to have UPS work rules.

Its simple, isnt it?

There you go parroting management again.

The answer is NO, we dont have to accept whatever management says, remember thats why people formed unions in the first place.

Once again, you should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[eolesen]

The fact is that the mechanic per aircraft ratio at UPS and SWA and Fed Ex hasnt changed much since 2000, wheras the same cant be said for the rest of us, even AA. what has changed dramatically is the percentage difference in pay between those carriers and the legacy carriers.

Gee, maybe both labor and management recognized long ago that the flexibility of their contracts and their business model depended on each other, and that they rose or sank together?...

Compare that to AA's unions, who waste no time trying to choke the golden goose at the first dollar of profits, and management seems to waste no time taking care of their own needs first regardless of the financial situation...

Not sure how that's ever going to get fixed, but both sides need to probably forget the past, and meet in the middle if there's ever going to be a chance of that happening.

Yes. I do live in fantasy land. But it's going to take a huge leap of faith and time to fix the state of labor relations. As long as both sides are looking out only for themselves, you might as well paint the stripes blue and re-label the airline "Eastern"...

 

[toroshark]

Gee, maybe both labor and management recognized long ago that the flexibility of their contracts and their business model depended on each other, and that they rose or sank together?...

AA's unions waste no time trying to choke the golden goose at the first dollar of profits, and management seems to waste no time taking care of their own needs first... Not sure how that's ever going to get fixed, but both sides need to meet in the middle if there's ever going to be a chance of that happening.

I would have to guess that Arpey's yearly bonus for a year that AA supposively lost money is larger than my expected salary for the next 20 years is not the middle.

 

[odie01]

I would have to guess that Arpey's yearly bonus for a year that AA supposively lost money is larger than my expected salary for the next 20 years is not the middle.

Just getting to the middle is going to take twenty years, the way these negotiations are going. I wonder what articles they will discuss, and NOT close out come Monday.

 

[B737NG]

Just getting to the middle is going to take twenty years, the way these negotiations are going. I wonder what articles they will discuss, and NOT close out come Monday.

From the TWU/AA Negotiations Website..

The Company indicated they were working on Attachment 12.1 resulting in an expectation by the TWU Negotiating Committee Table Team, that the Company would have a response by February 7 on Articles 3, 11, 12 and 39.

As a reference, the non-economic Articles open needing resolution are Articles 1 (Scope), Article 3 (Hours of Work), Article 11 (Classifications and Qualifications), Article 12 (Promotions and Jobs to be Posted), Article 15 (Reduction in Force), Article 21 (Rotation of Shifts) and Article 39 (Physical Examination). Once those areas of discussion are exhausted or tentatively agreed to, we will then begin discussing economic Articles.

So anyone's guess really as to the progress of resolution on these articles. Then and only then will economic articles be discussed. It has taken nearly 4 years just to get non-economic articles addressed. How long does one expect to wait for economic issues considering 4 years for non-economic articles?

"Keep giving them what they want and they have no reason to give us what we need.." To quote Bob Owens..

 

[787nightmare]

From the TWU/AA Negotiations Website..

The Company indicated they were working on Attachment 12.1 resulting in an expectation by the TWU Negotiating Committee Table Team, that the Company would have a response by February 7 on Articles 3, 11, 12 and 39.

As a reference, the non-economic Articles open needing resolution are Articles 1 (Scope), Article 3 (Hours of Work), Article 11 (Classifications and Qualifications), Article 12 (Promotions and Jobs to be Posted), Article 15 (Reduction in Force), Article 21 (Rotation of Shifts) and Article 39 (Physical Examination). Once those areas of discussion are exhausted or tentatively agreed to, we will then begin discussing economic Articles.

So anyone's guess really as to the progress of resolution on these articles. Then and only then will economic articles be discussed. It has taken nearly 4 years just to get non-economic articles addressed. How long does one expect to wait for economic issues considering 4 years for non-economic articles?"Keep giving them what they want and they have no reason to give us what we need.." To quote Bob Owens..

They are stalling pure and simple. They have saved a bundle stringing you guys along for years.
AA mechs need to strike, pure and simple. Bet that'll put some fire under them.
But you've got a union in bed with the company and they aint' gonna let you strike.

I really feel you guys' frustration...jeeezzz

 

[Lloyd Grey]

When you guys go on strike, the company will be happy to lock you out, close the overhaul bases for a day and reopen them as a separate company. Then when you come back as Line or OH you will be negotiating separately. Good luck with the strike option!

 

[Lloyd Grey]

Not gonna happen, the ibt lets the companies farmout heavy to MROs all over the world.

So how many layoffs would that be and how much bumping?

Answer the questions, or did you not really think your ideas through?

Could it be the company wants you to strike so they can lock you out and spin off overhaul? Line mechanics who return would be in better bargaining position then and your overhaul folks would have no "bumping" rights. Go for it!

 

[strikeforce]

When you guys go on strike, the company will be happy to lock you out, close the overhaul bases for a day and reopen them as a separate company. Then when you come back as Line or OH you will be negotiating separately. Good luck with the strike option!

typical management answer! If the MEMBERSHIP has any B$%LLS.....DO YOUR JOB!!!!!!! NO NEED TO STRIKE!
BUT.....it's pretty obvious that WE don't....we're more concerned with CS policy than the contract. The POWER of the union are it's people.....STOP WHINING and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! I"M CHALLENGING EVERYONE! YOUR STATION DOESN"T HAVE THE NADS TO SHUT AA DOWN!!!!!!!!!

 

[Bob Owens]

So anyone's guess really as to the progress of resolution on these articles. Then and only then will economic articles be discussed. It has taken nearly 4 years just to get non-economic articles addressed. How long does one expect to wait for economic issues considering 4 years for non-economic articles?

Not really, It took nearly three years of "taking the High Road " to get to the TA that was rejected. Once rejected we had to sart at ZERO. We've gone through and TA'd 29 articles and the company is supposed to reply to 4 proposals we put across last month, next week. Then there are 14 articles left, mostly money. That was all done since August.

Economic proposals have been exchanged in the past, in the Spring of 2008 the company put forth a concessionary proposal, then in August of 2008 the Committee, concerned about fuel costs pretty agreed to it but the company became greedier and rejected the offer, then in the Summer of 2009, after a PP presentation there came the "we got to show the company we are serious about filling the white spaces" show, the August 2008 proposal was ressurected and put in front of the company again, they once again rejected it, said they wanted more. Then in the spring of 2010 the company, I guess sensing that their delays had made us ripe for the picking, threw another proposal, a little, but not nearly enough different from their original proposal which was accepted by the committee but rejected by the membership. Following the rejection the International reorganized the negotiating committee with the consent of the full negotiating committee and basically put the members of the Committee who were against the TA on a subcommittee to resume negotiations. Thats where we stand now, 29 TAd, made changes to 9 of the TA'd articles, made changes to the 4 the company has and obviously there are changes to the 14 that remain.

 

[Bob Owens]

When you guys go on strike, the company will be happy to lock you out, close the overhaul bases for a day and reopen them as a separate company. Then when you come back as Line or OH you will be negotiating separately. Good luck with the strike option!

Who says we all have to strike at the same time? Strike has to be an oiption but its not the only option. Uncertainty creates even more havoc.

 

[PhatSappy]

Who says we all have to strike at the same time? Strike has to be an oiption but its not the only option. Uncertainty creates even more havoc.

Go for it in the summer if you can get released. Until then, use a media agency to create a PR campaign informing the public the strike is pending for June - August so they can make their travel plans in advance. We want the public to know we are on their side with safety, as well as their convenience. Put THAT in the newspaper and see how fast the company gives up their sand-bagging.

 

[Frank Szabo]

Who says we all have to strike at the same time? Strike has to be an oiption but its not the only option. Uncertainty creates even more havoc.

A strike would be more of a suicidal move rather than something to wake up the company. If a stirke should happen to be called after a release, it will be with the company's blessings - Little and company are in the pocket of AMR and aren't in the habit of doing anything (except for handing out T-shirts with slogans/ballcaps) for those who pay dues to the TWU that would result in a positive outcome for the membership.

Remember the difference re: being physically on the property as opposed to being outside on the street. A CHAOS-type job action would be far more effective.

 

[B737NG]

A strike would be more of a suicidal move rather than something to wake up the company. If a stirke should happen to be called after a release, it will be with the company's blessings - Little and company are in the pocket of AMR and aren't in the habit of doing anything (except for handing out T-shirts with slogans/ballcaps) for those who pay dues to the TWU that would result in a positive outcome for the membership.

Remember the difference re: being physically on the property as opposed to being outside on the street. A CHAOS-type job action would be far more effective.

I agree a strike would be with the company's blessing. We have much more opportunity while on the premises as opposed to being on the outside looking in.