B752

[USFlyer]

What is the plan, if we know, for resuming service to the European destinations that were dropped this summer due to the economy?

 

[smoot4208]

What is the plan, if we know, for resuming service to the European destinations that were dropped this summer due to the economy?

I wouldn't be surprised to see Stockholm and Milan come back. As well as maybe adding either PHL-CPH/DUS

I would only expect one wide body route next year. So I think it will be a toss up between PHL-MXP and CLT-MAD

I would not bank on PHL-LGW or PHL-BHX coming back anytime soon.

 

[7seven7]

Have any of you ever ridden in the back of a 757 for 7+ hours? There's a reason they call the 757 "the Atlantic RJ".

 

[cltflyer1]

my predicitions on new 752 routes
Phl-arn
phl-cph
phl-snn
clt-dub
clt-man (maybe)
clt-lim
clt-bog



other terms i believe clt-hnl returns one day on 332
clt-mad 762 starts soon

 

[FutureUScapt]

I bet CLT-MAN would do well.

Personally, I don't see a real need for MAN. MAN consists of primarily European point-of-origin traffic that is predominately leisure in nature (notably LAS and Florida) so I'm not quite sure of the need of a CLT-MAN flight in addition to PHL-MAN. The only reason that I would even see MAN as a possibility is that it is within the range of a B752 from CLT. That said, I think there are better TA destinations/routes for US to deploy its limited fleet of B752s on.

Have any of you ever ridden in the back of a 757 for 7+ hours? There's a reason they call the 757 "the Atlantic RJ".

Yes I have, and it was nowhere near as bad as many make it out to be. In fact if US' B752s had PTVs (a la CO), I would've found the experience to be comparable to that of the A330s.

While I'm sure there are a handful or travelers that refuse to fly a B757 TA or a CRJ for more than X hrs, that simply isn't the case for the vast majority of travelers. At the end of the day, it comes down to schedule/convenience and the ability to fly nonstop versus having to connect is what matters to most travelers. If that weren't the case, you wouldn't see CO having the resounding success that they have had from EWR.

 

[PHL]

my predicitions on new 752 routes

clt-man (maybe)


other terms i believe clt-hnl returns one day on 332
clt-mad 762 starts soon

CLT-MAN - doubt it. I always heard that cargo is what keeps PHL-MAN operating with the 333.
CLT-HNL - doubt it. That's a waste of a premium cabin that commands higher yields on business routes. To fly it CLT-HNL would also tie up two per day to make it a daily nonstop.
CLT-MAD - possibly if there are more Latin America routes from CLT to funnel connections in from MAD.

 

[FutureUScapt]

CLT-HNL - doubt it. That's a waste of a premium cabin that commands higher yields on business routes. To fly it CLT-HNL would also tie up two per day to make it a daily nonstop.
CLT-MAD - possibly if there are more Latin America routes from CLT to funnel connections in from MAD.

CLT-HNL can actually be flown with 1 a/c, so long as there is not a lengthy delay on either end. That being said, I absolutely agree with you and it's a moot point anyhow as CLT-HNL performed miserably with a B767 and won't be back anytime soon.

CLT-MAD should work seasonally no problem as Spain is increasingly becoming a more and more popular destination for American tourists in the summer. I agree though that if US wants to maintain it year-round that connections to Latin America would be almost vital.

 

[libertybell]

CLT-HNL can actually be flown with 1 a/c, so long as there is not a lengthy delay on either end. That being said, I absolutely agree with you and it's a moot point anyhow as CLT-HNL performed miserably with a B767 and won't be back anytime soon.

Would a A330 be able to fly PHL HNL? Does it have the range?

 

[USFlyer]

Would a A330 be able to fly PHL HNL? Does it have the range?

I think the A330-200 does but not the -300, although I'd have to check the ranges to confirm.

 

[AstroLounge]

Would a A330 be able to fly PHL HNL? Does it have the range?

Does it really matter? Really don't see a market for PHL-HNL. Hawaii is a LEISURE MARKET and most people are not keen on the idea of 10-12 hour flights to lay on a beach when Florida and the Caribbean are much closer. And let's not forget the Cruise Industry, which also takes a big bite out of Beach destinatinations. Hawaii is better served from points WEST of the Mississippi. I have lived on BOTH sides of the country........Western states favour Hawaii and the Mexican resorts whereas the East Coast prefers Florida (yuck) and the Caribbean. CLT-HNL was a gamble at best and "IF" they say it wasn't profitable,more than likely it wasn't. Service out of PHX still exists and they could consider other western gateways as well..........they just can't be afraid of the competition.

 

[DHG750R]

The B757 was last produced in 2004. Last one delivered to Xiamen Airways

Quick Question:

True or False, there are no 757's currently in production by Boeing? If true then these would be off lease aircraft or from another airline correct?

 

[BuffaloJoe]

Does it really matter? Really don't see a market for PHL-HNL. Hawaii is a LEISURE MARKET and most people are not keen on the idea of 10-12 hour flights to lay on a beach when Florida and the Caribbean are much closer. And let's not forget the Cruise Industry, which also takes a big bite out of Beach destinatinations. Hawaii is better served from points WEST of the Mississippi. I have lived on BOTH sides of the country........Western states favour Hawaii and the Mexican resorts whereas the East Coast prefers Florida (yuck) and the Caribbean. CLT-HNL was a gamble at best and "IF" they say it wasn't profitable,more than likely it wasn't. Service out of PHX still exists and they could consider other western gateways as well..........they just can't be afraid of the competition.

But a route to HNL from the East Coast, has a better chance to succeed from PHL than CLT. People in the NE don't want to go down to CLT then to HNL, just as ATL. DL ATL is for the south and the population doesn't support 2 non-stops from the South. EWR has service, but for connecting, I believe PHL is better than EWR. PHL is delay prone, but EWR is twice as bad if not worst. I have a friend that flies out of EWR often, and he only does it cause its easier to get to than PHL driving. So he puts up withthe delays, just as long as he gets to his destinations, its all on company time anyway. But I would wait for the economy to pick up before attempting a PHL-HNL route. In all, all I am trying to state is, that PHL would be a better choice for that route, especially being leisure. Wait till people are spending money on non-essentials to attempt any move. Plus wouldn't it be better to put the 767's on the HNL route from PHX? Could HNL handle an A-330?

 

[rvolkcpa]

But a route to HNL from the East Coast, has a better chance to succeed from PHL than CLT. People in the NE don't want to go down to CLT then to HNL, just as ATL. DL ATL is for the south and the population doesn't support 2 non-stops from the South. EWR has service, but for connecting, I believe PHL is better than EWR. PHL is delay prone, but EWR is twice as bad if not worst. I have a friend that flies out of EWR often, and he only does it cause its easier to get to than PHL driving. So he puts up withthe delays, just as long as he gets to his destinations, its all on company time anyway. But I would wait for the economy to pick up before attempting a PHL-HNL route. In all, all I am trying to state is, that PHL would be a better choice for that route, especially being leisure. Wait till people are spending money on non-essentials to attempt any move. Plus wouldn't it be better to put the 767's on the HNL route from PHX? Could HNL handle an A-330?

If HNL can handle United's 777's, it should be able to handle an A-330. Actually, Hawaiian is now flying A330-200's on some of their routes.

 

[autofixer]

The CLT-HNL flight has been pretty full the last couple of months. It is my opinion that we just don't have the aircraft to operate our present schedule and if something had to be cut, it would be HNL with its low yields. It makes sense to me to run the frequent flyer miles through PHX and use the extra 767 to maintain our schedule...which is a disaster right now on the 767/757 since we have no spare aircraft on the East.

 

[PHL]

EWR-HNL is supported because NYC provides good O&D traffic. There aren't a lot of connection options unless it's a morning express flight from a nearby NE city to make the long-haul leg. I also imagine there's a good cargo load on that flight, as well. I know a CO 757/767 captain, so I'll be sure to ask him about some of the technical details around that trip and what makes it profitable (if it is).