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ok so you're saying the Muslim jihadist were just cruising around Paris and decided to shoot up a deli?
that the fact is was a kosher place that common sense would tell you  was occupied by Jews had nothing to do with it? smh
 
MCI transplant said:
I am curious. You say you're Jewish by birth. What are your feelings about how the left has been turning against the one true ally we have in the Middle East, Israel? What do you feel about obama sending his election team to Israel to influence a foreign election?
 
I'ma bit torn.  Israel has done some stupid chit over the past several years and they should be accountable for them.  I don't think they left or anyone else for that matter has been turning against Israel  Their aid has not been affected as far as I am aware.  They are not getting blind support which I think is a good thing.  Bottom line is they are the only relyable ally and regardless of all the bluster both sides know this.  I do not think there has been any realy change in the relationship.  JUst a bunch of window dressing and penis measuring.
 
As far as an "Obama team" in Israel.  I have read several stories but I have yet to see anything linking the private citizens in Israel to Obama.  If Obama is behind it I dissagree with his involvement and he should be prosecuted if it is against the law.  Having said that. if Obama is involved, I doubt he is the first and I doubt he will be the last to try and influence elections.  This is politics after all.
 
cltrat said:
ok so you're saying the Muslim jihadist were just cruising around Paris and decided to shoot up a deli?
that the fact is was a kosher place that common sense would tell you  was occupied by Jews had nothing to do with it? smh
No.  WHat I am saying is that the deli was probably targeted, not the specific people.  The people were probabaly random as far as identity is concerned,  Also, jews are not the only people who go to a jewish deli.
 
cltrat said:
and why do you suppose said deli was targeted?
I think we are talking past each other.  I acknowledged that the deli was targeted (ppost 307) but the people insiude were random.  No one knew who would be in the deli.  Could have been jews, christians or who ever. Lots of non-jews go to deli's.  The deli was not random, the people inside were.
 
The people killed at the deli were killed because they happened to be there.  They were not targetted like Hebedo was.  Not sure what is wrong with his statement.
Wow? Another fine twist from the, a-hem, self-perceived master. No they weren't targeted by Mr. A or Mr. Y, but they were Jewish. But as long as they were collateral damage, no harm done.
 
I think we are talking past each other.  I acknowledged that the deli was targeted (ppost 307) but the people insiude were random.  No one knew who would be in the deli.  Could have been jews, christians or who ever. Lots of non-jews go to deli's.  The deli was not random, the people inside were.
What this shows is that you have tunnel vision and think that you can see the whole picture through your delusional view.

I am shocked that after I reply to you, I see many who have beaten me to the punch as we echo the same message. Yet a glutton for punishment still comes to a fight with a flower!
 
Ms Tree said:
 
 
As far as an "Obama team" in Israel.  I have read several stories but I have yet to see anything linking the private citizens in Israel to Obama.  If Obama is behind it I dissagree with his involvement and he should be prosecuted if it is against the law.  Having said that. if Obama is involved, I doubt he is the first and I doubt he will be the last to try and influence elections.  This is politics after all.
 
 
 

Monday, January 26, 2015

Foreign Funding Bankrolls Anti-Netanyahu Campaign – Flies in 5-Man Obama Team

Foreign Funding Bankrolls Anti-Netanyahu Campaign – Flies in 5-Man Obama
Team

Dr. Aaron Lerner Date: 26 January 2015
Haaretz reporter Roi Arad revealed in an article in the Hebrew edition
today that the foreign funded organization, “One Voice”, is bankrolling the
V-2015 campaign to defeat Binyamin Netanyahu’s national camp in the March
2015 Knesset Elections.

One indication of the generous financing is that it has now flown in a team
of five American campaign experts (including Jeremy Bird, the Obama
campaign's national field director) who will run the campaign out of offices
taking up the ground floor of a Tel Aviv office building.

V-2015 is careful not to support a specific party - rather “just not Bibi”.
As such, the foreign funds pouring into the campaign are not subject to
Israel’s campaign finance laws.

Dr. Aaron Lerner, Director IMRA
________________________________________
IMRA - Independent Media Review and Analysis

Since 1992 providing news and analysis on the Middle East with a focus on Arab-Israeli relations
 
 
While OVI's work is “concentrated in Israel and Palestine,” the organization also has branches titled One Voice United States (OVUS) and One Voice Europe (OVE), which engage policymakers, legislators, think tanks, and advocacy organizations in their respective locales. OVUS staff, for instance, maintain regular contact with the White House, the State Department, and Congress.

OVI is funded by a host of individuals, foundations, corporations, and governments—Israeli, Palestinian, and international. Among these funders—or “partners,” as One Voice calls them—are the Association of British Muslims, British Muslims for a Secular Democracy, the Christian Muslim Forum, the Ford Foundation, Google, the Nathan Cummings Foundation, the New Israel Fund, the Righteous Persons Foundation, the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, the U.S. State Department, and the William & Flora Hewlett Foundation. For a more comprehensive listing of OVI's funding partners, click here.

The CEO of the One Voice Movement Foundation is Marc Ginsburg, who has served in various political and diplomatic capacities for such prominent Democrats as Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and John Kerry.

A key board member of OVI is Faisal Abdul Rauf, the Muslim cleric who sought to build the so-called “Ground Zero Mosque” in New York. And the Movement's “Entertainment Councilincludes such luminaries as Jason Alexander, Danny Devito, Joel Fields, Ed Norton, and Brad Pitt.

In 2011, OVI paid $96,000 to Howard Sumka, who, while serving as the West Bank and Gaza mission director for US Aid, was instrumental in providing $1 million in American funding to a Hamas-run university in the Gaza Strip. OVI also has made a number of annual donations to the American Task Force on Palestine, which demands a Palestinian right-of-return as a precondition for any peace agreement with Israel.

One Voice holds Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu in extreme contempt, as evidenced by OVI founder Daniel Lubetzky's assertion that Haaretz columnist Gideon Levy—who has defended Hamas and called for a boycott against Israel—was “precisely right” in describing Netanyahu as an “extremist” peddler of “fear and hate.” In early 2015, OVI bankrolled the Israeli group V-2015 and its effort to defeat Netanyahu’s bid for reelection. Toward that end, OVI flew a team of five former campaign operatives of Barack Obama—including Jeremy Bird, who served as a national field director for Obama's 2008 and 2012 presidential campaigns—to help run V-2015's activities out of a Tel Aviv office building. As part of this anti-Netanyahu effort, OVI paid for hundreds of people to go door-to-door and try to influence voters throughout Israel.
 
Ms Tree said:
 
I'ma bit torn.  Israel has done some stupid chit over the past several years and they should be accountable for them.  I don't think they left or anyone else for that matter has been turning against Israel  Their aid has not been affected as far as I am aware.  They are not getting blind support which I think is a good thing.  Bottom line is they are the only relyable ally and regardless of all the bluster both sides know this.  I do not think there has been any realy change in the relationship.  JUst a bunch of window dressing and penis measuring.
 
As far as an "Obama team" in Israel.  I have read several stories but I have yet to see anything linking the private citizens in Israel to Obama.  If Obama is behind it I dissagree with his involvement and he should be prosecuted if it is against the law.  Having said that. if Obama is involved, I doubt he is the first and I doubt he will be the last to try and influence elections.  This is politics after all.
Politics? ------- Yea! Netanyahu pisses off obama on Monday, and his election team shows up in Netanyahu's back yard on Tuesday!------ Yea! Politics!
 
Netanyahu has been pissing off Obama since day one. It's not like this is a new thing.
 
cltrat said:
and why do you suppose said deli was targeted?
delldude said:
 
Fatty corned beef?
They were taking a stroll one night, walked in the deli and were ticked off that Benghazi style pasta was not on the menu. All hell broke loose.

What difference does it make? (in Hillary's shrill voice)

It was not terrorism (emphasis on sarcasm).
 

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