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[xUT]

Still no argument to support your position? 😱

What is my position? 🙄

 

[Ms Tree]

I bet she will be denied communion/sacraments.

“My highest priority here is ensuring contraceptive access and coverage for all women, and I believe this accommodation meets that goal.

“Every American deserves to have access to high quality health care coverage regardless of where they work. And each of us should have the right to make our own medical and religious decisions without being dictated to or limited by our employers.

“I stand by my support for the original recommendation offered by the independent Institute of Medicine, but I am glad that we can move forward with an acceptable accommodation that addresses the concerns raised and, most importantly, protects women and supports their health care needs.

“I am going to remain vigilant to make sure this rule is implemented in a way that works for women across America. And I will keep working to make sure that politics and extreme ideology never come between women and their health care needs.”

Senator Patty Murray?s Statement on Contraception Coverage Announcement

 

[eolesen]

Not sure what you mean by funded but I do not believe that the RCC has their own insurance company. They use someone else to underwrite the insurance plan.

Dunno. They are large enough that they may be a self-funded employer, and prior to Obamacare, self-funded plans didn't have to worry about compliance with state mandates.

 

[SparrowHawk]

No one, Individual, Religious institution or Corporation should be required by their government to purchase so much as a Lifesaver. The rights of the Individual supersede the rights of the Government.

Healthcare costs have risen due to Government meddling in the free market. Same with higher education. Look at tuition costs since the creation of the Department of Education and compare the rise in the 30 year prior. Want an example of Government efficiency? Go to the DMV and view your healthcare future.

 

[tech2101]

No one, Individual, Religious institution or Corporation should be required by their government to purchase so much as a Lifesaver. The rights of the Individual supersede the rights of the Government.

Healthcare costs have risen due to Government meddling in the free market.

Then you are for hospitals being able to turn away any patient that does not have the ability to pay what they deem acceptable?

We should cut all government subsidies to all hospitals and let them stand or fall.

See what happens in rural America if that happens.

Right now, you are paying for health care for people who either choose not to buy it or cannot afford it. And you are paying for it when it is the most expensive (the emergency room).

 

[Knotbuyinit]

I don't have kids so the schools can go pound sand.

Such a joke.

But you got your public education paid for, in part, by citizens that paid local school taxes, yet have no children.

What's your point or is it just about you?

Such a joke indeed!

 

[tech2101]

No change in position! Obama has merely shifted the basis for the mandate. Now this Administration will require insurance companies to provide “free” contraception services to the insured who work for Catholic employers. This means that the premiums paid by Catholic employees will still fund contraceptive services.

Apparently “insurance” is not what we will be paying for with Obamacare. My current medical insurance contract is finite and specific and in no way allows me to line up for “free” goodies mandated arbitrary by the government.

If the federal government can step in and arbitrarily require a company to provide things for “free” that were previously elective, premium-based services, then it is no longer an insurance company. We are not buying insurance from it; we are simply participating in a mandatory government program whose features can be changed at any time, regardless of what we or the “insurers” want. There is no contract just one-sided decisions of bureaucrats and future presidents.

This Administration must feel that it will be in power forever. Under Obamacare, future Presidents and Administrations will be able to add mandates to the program as they see fit.

Example:

It’s late January 2016. Newt Gingrich is President. The House of Representatives is solidly Republican, and there’s a slight Republican majority in the Senate. Because Republicans lack...

I see we have another poster here who is completely comfortable with plaigairizing an entire article.

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[Ms Tree]

But you got your public education paid for, in part, by citizens that paid local school taxes, yet have no children.

What's your point or is it just about you?

Such a joke indeed!

It was sarcasm. My apologies for not making that more clear. I am a huge advocate for public education. The children are the future of this country. I believe they should have the best education we can give them.

 

[Knotbuyinit]

The slippery slope is if the RCC can get out of paying for necessary womens health care, then any employer should be able to get out of anything they do not want to pay for. That is the slope that McConnell seems top be skiing down quite obliviously.

What about the 1,742 waivers the HHS has already issued that allow 1.5 million people “to get out of anything they do not want to pay for”? Look at the 34 unions with 140K employees that got a pass "to get out of anything they do not want to pay for". The last 362 waivers issued don't expire until 2014!

 

[Knotbuyinit]

It was sarcasm. My apologies for not making that more clear. I am a huge advocate for public education. The children are the future of this country. I believe they should have the best education we can give them.

Agreed! (try using the /sarc tag after making such inflammatory statements).

OT I also take exception to school boards that are more interested in padding teachers and administrators pension plans with our tax dollars than spending the money on our children's education. In the state I live in (PA), teachers are allowed to hold my children hostage until the school board meets their demands! It's all about the benefits for teachers and not higher standards of education for the children.

 

[Ms Tree]

I believe our public school system needs a top to bottom overhaul.

I would like to see tenure eliminated. Teaching is not for everyone. You need to be dedicated and want to teach. I had some excellent teachers. I have had some who were there to collect a pay check. We need to find a fair way to get rid of the later. I think we need to establish a national standard for teachers and for students. Employers should know that a student coming out of the poorest area of Kentucky has the same education as the kid coming out of Manhattan or Bel Air. I would like to see funds evened out for school through out the nation. There is no reason that the schools in the rich neighborhoods should have tablets and PC's for all the students while the poor neighborhoods are using an Abacus.

I would like to see education through college or tech schools tuition free. They should be supported by national taxes in my opinion. We need to increase the abilities of the state colleges so that they can compete with the Ivy league schools.

If we wish to compete on the international scene, we need to make a huge investment ion our children and their education. I believe the biggest contribution to the divide between the haves and have nots is education. There is not enough emphasis placed on an education in this country. I do not think we need to go the extreme that is present in some countries but we need to step up our game.

 

[Knotbuyinit]

I see we have another poster here who is completely comfortable with plaigairizing an entire article.

Link

The reason for that would be that the only computer that I have access to right now is operating with Explorer 6! Airlineforums.com is not very compatible (with some features) with Explorer 6 and the link dialog box is skewed so far to the left that it makes it impossible to add links. In hindsight I should have just added the links IP address. I hope this explanation is acceptable to you.

So now that you have uncovered my shortcomings, why don't you explain why the example stated can’t happen? Seriously Tech, the ACA can be amended by ANY administration to impose whatever mandate they see fit and justifiable, even mandates that go against your core values. Don’t you see or understand what the real issue is behind this mandate? Isn’t this the slippery slope we should avoid?

 

[Knotbuyinit]

Then you are for hospitals being able to turn away any patient that does not have the ability to pay what they deem acceptable?

We should cut all government subsidies to all hospitals and let them stand or fall.

See what happens in rural America if that happens.

Right now, you are paying for health care for people who either choose not to buy it or cannot afford it. And you are paying for it when it is the most expensive (the emergency room).

I see we have another poster here who is completely comfortable with passing false and misleading information that suits their narrative.

So where is the link to support your statement that “hospitals being able to turn ANY patient that does not have the ability to pay what they deem acceptable”? You are aware that Congress passed the EMTLA in 1986 (https://www.cms.gov/EMTALA/) to ensure public access to emergency services regardless of ability to pay . . . right?

No Idiot, we shouldn’t “cut all government subsidies to all hospitals and let them stand or fall”. You should refrain from using such language, you sound like the child that takes his ball and leaves when things don’t go his way!

Why not just grant the Catholic Church a waiver (like Obama did with Unions, Brotherhoods and Guilds) and give them a pass on the mandate?

And why is it that I have to pay for a person’s healthcare when they choose not to buy it for themselves?

Emergency healthcare for those that are uninsured is the law, even if the emergency is a gun shot wound suffered during an illegal drug deal that went terrible wrong. I personally don’t care to pay for such “emergencies” as that goes against my core values. Let them suffer the consequences of their actions and leave me out of it!

 

[eolesen]

Emergency healthcare for those that are uninsured is the law, even if the emergency is a gun shot wound suffered during an illegal drug deal that went terrible wrong. I personally don’t care to pay for such “emergencies” as that goes against my core values. Let them suffer the consequences of their actions and leave me out of it!

So now you expect a triage nurse to determine who was shot in an illegal activity vs. a legal one?...

I say treat 'em, and if they're found to have been shot in the line of illegal activity, let 'em work it off by adding time to their sentences commensurate to the medical expenses. If health costs keep rising, you might wind up with people spending more time in jail for that than for their original crimes...

 

[whatkindoffreshhell]

Another Catholic-bashing thread.

This is not about Obamacare forcing Catholic institutions to pay for contraception.

The issue is government interference with religion.

What do you think would happen if Obamacare mandated that a Jewish soup kitchen must serve pork sandwiches?