Birth Control

[tom barry]

AH,........there is NOTHING quite like the aroma .....(of REPUGS. digging thier own GRAVE on a specific issue),.....First thing in the morning ! 🙄 :blink:

 

[Ms Tree]

I think you are right. Nearly every woman will use contraceptives at some point in their lives. Issa had his little panel of Christian white men helping make a decision on womens sexuality. I'd be surprised if a picture of that hearing is not plastered all over the place when the election rolls around as a clear indication of how republicans view the roll of women. Then you have the juicy tidbits like Rushes comment, the Santiorum supporter who said that birth control is cheep, just put an aspirin between your legs. Santorum making a comment essentially saying that women should be barefoot and pregnant at home. The arrogance of the republican party toward women has been made painfully clear this election cycle. Why women would vote against their self interests by voting fora republican is beyond me.

 

[does this plane go to paris]

Its still going to go down with Catholics as a vote issue against Obama.

Dell,

I would agree with you if the Catholic vote you are referring to were of the 17th, 18th or 19th century that attended Mass every day. There aren't too many of those here in the US.

The majority of the Catholics I know of here in the US don't listen to the Pope's condemdation of the use of Birth Control, don't appreciate the Church that condone the legacy of Preists abusing children for decades and moved Priests from one Parish to another. I know of many friends and family members that are replused at the thought of additional collections plates during Mass so that the Church can pay off Child Sex Offenders. Many attend Mass soley for the Rite and refuse to listen to the Priest and condeme the Church in large. Look at the Lutheran and Episcopal Churches and you'll see many "Ex-Catholics", enjoying peace of mind and enjoying the Church again.

 

[delldude]

Interesting. Were I a member of Congress and having a hearing on the constitutionality of something I would ask Constitutional scholars and professors of law to discuss the issue. The hearing had nothing to do with the Constitution. It had to do with religious institutions being bent out of shape about having to follow the same laws that everyone else does.



First, not sure about you but I actually pay insurance premiums so I fail to see how my benefits from insurance is free. Second, if there is an argument against insurance companies being forced to provide contraceptives then make it. Religious objections do not cut it. There are religious objections to dam near everything. Quakers are pacifists but they still have to pay taxes which go to the military. Churches are exempt, religious hospitals and schools are not. They have top abide by the same laws that everyone else does.



Polycystic Ovary Syndrome
Endometriosis
Menstrual Cramps
Premenstrual Syndrome
Heavy Menstrual Periods
Acne
anemia

There are more and feel free to look them up.



I must have missed all the references in your post. Given that insurance does not pay for contraceptives of course they had to pay for it. That is what this whole discussion is about.




I am sure there are no people out there who cannot afford medication they need for health reasons. The internet is your friend. Do a search and you might find some answers.




This is about an insurance mandate to provide birth control as part of women's health care. This is about abiding by Tile VII civil rights act. The EEOC determined in 2000 that companies who provide insurance and do not cover contraceptives are in violation of the law. The Bush administration did nothing to withdraw or alter this ruling. The federal court later upheld the ruling in Erickson v. Bartell Drug Co.,

I view this as a womens rights issue. It grants women the control over their own body and sexuality. Sex is a part of relationships. The burden of birth control usually falls on the woman. Contraceptives are the most efficient and reliable way to prevent unwanted pregnancy and the resulting abortions. This has nothing to do with religious freedom. It is another case of religion trying to matain control over womens reproductive rights.

(CNSNews.com) – Although Georgetown Law student Sandra Fluke testified to the House Democratic Steering and Policy Committee last month that contraception can cost a law student $3,000 over three years and that some of her fellow students could not afford it, a Target store only 3 miles from the law school currently sells a month's supply of birth control pills for only $9 to people who do not have insurance plans covering contraceptives.

Fluke was the sole witness who appeared on Feb. 23 before an all-Democratic panel chaired by House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.).

Only expert on this subject on the planet.

Pssst......no agenda here for sure.

 

[delldude]

AH,........there is NOTHING quite like the aroma .....(of REPUGS. digging thier own GRAVE on a specific issue),.....First thing in the morning ! 🙄 :blink:

"The conventional wisdom now is that Obama is going to win because the Republicans are killing each other. That's absurd. Obama is not going to win, I helped the only Demcoratic president in sixty years to get elected, so I know something about what it takes. And there's no way this guy is going to win."

Ok....

 

[SparrowHawk]

I am sure you did not read Ms. Fluke's testimony, or have a real grasp on the health issues associated with this issue/debate. She succinctly pointed out a real life example of what can happen with women concerning contraception, or the lack there of.

I know this first hand as my wife and I dealt with the issue many years ago.

The Republicans (you) are on the wrong side of this issue and if you keep it up, you will pay for it dearly in November.

Point of Order!!
Point of Order!

Sandra Fluke did not testify before The United States Congress, was not sworn in. Her remarks were made to Nancy Pelosi's and several other Democratic Congress Critters. There is no Library of Congress transcript from the Congressional Record because she never testified before Congress.

Throughout her Tweeting Fluke consistently refers to her appearance with Nancy Pelosi as a “hearing” and to her statements as “testimony.” It was not a hearing, and she did not testify. She was never under oath. It was a meeting with some Democrats and she spoke. Neil Boortz

I have to hand it to Pelosii and the Demorats, they played the Republiclams like a very cheap violin.

Now it's time for a new game,

Empty Suit Math

Let's do some "Empty Suit math". BC Pills according to MS Fluke work out to about $19.23/wk. When the Empty Suit took office gas was $1.90 now it's doubled to $3.80. Food Stamp guidelines for a single person is $152/ month and a 25% increase is $38/mo. So if Ms Fluke uses 5.5 gallons of gas a week, at current Empty Suit Prices plus the $38 increase in food, The Empty Suit POTUS stole her contraception money. This is exactly how the horse's ass President steals from each of us daily.

But hey it's all Rush Limbaugh's fault. If we can just get him off the air, BC Pills will fall from the sky

 

[delldude]

I can't believe something important as this would get by our adult in the room.

And this proves it was a preplanned dog and pony show that all our lovely progressives bought into hook, line and sinker.

 

[Dog Wonder]

I can't believe something important as this would get by our adult in the room.

And this proves it was a preplanned dog and pony show that all our lovely progressives bought into hook, line and sinker.

I think Rush fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

Those sneaky Dems, making Rush look like a woman hater.

 

[delldude]

I think Rush fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

Those sneaky Dems, making Rush look like a woman hater.

Poor girl prostituted herself out for Pelosi and made a slut of herself.

 

[tech2101]

I can't believe something important as this...

See her testifying in front of the House Democratic Policy and Steering Committee.

C-Span link to her testifying.

Of course if Neal Boortz says it didn't happen than it must be true.

 

[southwind]

See her testifying in front of the House Democratic Policy and Steering Committee.

C-Span link to her testifying.

Of course if Neal Boortz says it didn't happen than it must be true.

Pelosi ? Leader of the steering commitee ? BHRAaahahahaw

Tried to watch video but, as soon as Pelosi opened her pie-hole, I felt a surge of bile making it's way through my esophagus and had to turn it off !

This is typical Demorat Bait n Switch ! Deflect criticism of the current economy , gas prices and other "MORE" important issues.......... with a dog and pony show !

 

[Dog Wonder]

Republicans can only see women two ways. They are baby machines or sluts. Not human beings to be treated with respect.

They look at the working class the same way. They are disposable commodities, not human beiings.

Corporations, on the other hand, are people.

 

[Ms Tree]

I think there is a religious aspect to it as well. I think there is a link between the level of religious belief and the level of chavanisim and misogony to women. Look at the rc church and their treatment of women. Listen to santorum and his treatment of women. Moderate Christians who have not been brainwashed by the male religious hierarchy seem to treat women as equals.

 

[delldude]

See her testifying in front of the House Democratic Policy and Steering Committee.

C-Span link to her testifying.

Of course if Neal Boortz says it didn't happen than it must be true.

She didn't testify before Congress......find it in the Congressional Record then Tech.
She was at a photo op for a bunch of dems and Pelosi and its starting to come apart at the seams.

Cynical observers may remark that this shows the degree to which Democrats rushed Fluke forward as a witness without vetting her. It is not clear that she is even an expert on the effects of contraceptive bans at Catholic universities, despite this being the main reason she, and not a national pro-contraception mandate leader, was called to testify. At best, this statement makes Fluke’s personal connection to Georgetown dubiously relevant. At worst, it calls her entire speech into question.

More...

 

[delldude]

Republicans can only see women two ways. They are baby machines or sluts. Not human beings to be treated with respect.

They look at the working class the same way. They are disposable commodities, not human beiings.

Corporations, on the other hand, are people.

You and the Crusader need Islam to show you how to treat women.