BOX CUTTERS...HUH

[l8rd8r]

😱 I'm shocked at such short memory....they may allow these again. If thats true I'll be bringing my own and keeping it near and dear. Talk about moving backward. Who thinks up this stuff anyway? Can anyone give me a reasonable answer as to why we should go down this road again?

 

[gonzo]

😱 I'm shocked at such short memory....they may allow these again. If that's true I'll be bringing my own and keeping it near and dear. Talk about moving backward. Who thinks up this stuff anyway? Can anyone give me a reasonable answer as to why we should go down this road again?

The attitude of the flying public has changed and the entire world has a different outlook about terrorists on aircraft. The terrorists also have a different sense about the public involvement if they try to "high jack" an aircraft, the public will get involved. Our security measures are different concerning the flight deck.

Less time should be spent looking for box cutters, nail clippers, etc. and more time should be spent on finding explosives. I doubt that everyone will be going out an buying a box cutter, just because they are allowed to take them with. IMHO 🙂

 

[robbedagain]

box cutters should not be allowed on board the planes. that is what the terrorists used i believe. it could get ugly agian especially if the plane has no air marshall on board

 

[trvlr64]

Less time should be spent looking for box cutters, nail clippers, etc. and more time should be spent on finding explosives. I doubt that everyone will be going out an buying a box cutter, just because they are allowed to take them with. IMHO 🙂

The TSA is run by a group of STUPID MEN (cronnies?) who wouldn't know a bomb if it went off in their own pants!! Relaxing certain rules that now allow 4 inch knives and short scissors is again, STUPID. I don't have or ever have had the need to carry box cutters or scissors onto a plane. Once at my destination if I needed to open or cut something then I would worry about it. My coworkers that are field engineers do need these items but those items are in LOCKED boxes that are put in the cargo hold most of the time or they find some way of checking their carryon tools by placing them in a larger box that is then checked.

This latest move by the TSA is just an example of their inability to do the necessary work to keep us safe. I guess for the past 4 years the TSA has only been looking for those box cutters and scissors while bombs have gone thru screeners vision. (input sarcasm here)

So essentially, the TSA givith and they taketh away too. They give us the ability to take sharp pointy objects on the planes again BUT now we will have to face more RANDOM searches.

LOL

RANDOM my Aunt Fanny!! Those buffoons will be dragging the 98 year old grandmother and the 8 month old baby behind the security areas for a RANDOM search just like they have done all along.

HEY TSA!?! Where's the TRUSTED TRAVELER program that you've been testing for the past few years? Funny how they have avoided implementing that program around the entire country. Even after a recent government inquiry about why the TSA has delayed this program. Guess you (the tsa) don't like the idea of too many people just walking through the WTMD and not getting stopped.

I already have Secret Service and FBI clearance from when I worked the 2002 Olympics in SLC at the Olympic Village. I had to sign my life away on multiple forms or I couldn't work for my company at the Olympics. I guess the TSA just doesn't want the extra paperwork.

 

[UPNAWAY]

box cutters should not be allowed on board the planes. that is what the terrorists used i believe. it could get ugly agian especially if the plane has no air marshall on board

It is not about what we let on our ACs but whom! At least as far as above wing is concearned. A bad guy with a pencil is more dangerious than than a good guy with almost anything. This arguement is also about resources the TSA ends up being the cutical cissors and bick lighter police and doing a lot less important work. I certianly understand where FA's are coming from, but I doubt PAX on a US flight will ever again allow things to get much out of hand ever again! We have already seen that with some mentaly ill or drunk pax you will have help.

 

[gonzo]

Hmmmm......so before 9/11 how many box cutters were used on aircraft or even seen on aircraft? How many flight crew were threatened by box cutters? I agree with one of the posters that a "bad guy" with a pencil is more dangerous than a "good guy" with "what ever". 🙂

 

[RowUnderDCA]

Gonzo and UpNaway are correct. Also, I don't think the TSA said that anyone trying to get box cutters through security wouldn't enjoy a full body search and background check.

Well, wait, I do have one question: can box cutters disable an aircraft in flight from the cabin?

Look, the decision to quarantine the cockpit even with mayhem in the cabin was made a long time ago. The value of box cutters has already been reduced because passengers arent going to be cowed by them.

 

[gonzo]

Well, wait, I do have one question: can box cutters disable an aircraft in flight from the cabin?

No, any attempt to disable any aircraft from the pax compartment would not be a "quiet" process and would be questioned by many of the pax and flight crew. As well as being acted upon by both. 🙂

 

[tadjr]

While I dont question that the flying public would not be hesitant to act upon another attempted hijacking like 9/11, why even give someone the possibility to do it by allowing box cutters and scissors back on the plane? I understand there are just as many allowed objects that could be potential weapons, but WHY? I cant think of 1 reason why anyone would need a boxcutter in an airline cabin? Check it since thats legal. This is just pure stupidity on the part of the TSA. They're banned, not needed onboard, so why change things back?

 

[SpinDoc]

box cutters should not be allowed on board the planes. that is what the terrorists used i believe. it could get ugly agian especially if the plane has no air marshall on board

SpinDoc replies:

Yes. It would get VERY ugly in a short
period of time. If a crazed group of
idiots tries to overtake a plane with
a knife or box cutter, they will have to
deal with the following:

1. Customers with long memories of 9/11
and the mind set to kill the perpetrator
or perpetrators.

2. Impenetrable flight deck doors with
cameras/peepholes to see who is outside
and what is going on in the cabin.

3. Pilots who have been trained to
turn the plane upside down and make
maneuvers that will kill anyone who
is out of their seat and trying to take
over the cabin.

4. Pilots who will land the plane at
the nearest suitable airport, and will
NOT open the flight deck door until
federal law enforcement have stormed
the cabin.

It is doubtful that anyone with a knife
of box cutter will ever breach the flight
deck. They might be successful in killing
a number of passengers or crew members in
the cabin before the pilots land the
plane, but they will not be able to
take over the flight deck.

The focus of the TSA IS and SHOULD be
on finding devices that can penetrate
the hull of the plane and force it to
crash. That includes guns, explosives,
dangerous gasses, and hazardous
chemicals. You can't put a hole in a
plane with a box cutter, scissors,
knife, or nail clipper.

 

[aerosmith]

Pre 9-11 you could carry a knife onboard with a blade of 4" or less per the FAR's. Go ahead and check if you have a folding pocket "Buck" knife in that apprx range the blade will almost surely measure 3 7/8" long.

 

[smmech]

Pre 9-11 you could carry a knife onboard with a blade of 4" or less per the FAR's. Go ahead and check if you have a folding pocket "Buck" knife in that apprx range the blade will almost surely measure 3 7/8" long.

Ya thats the length of my knife and pre-9/11 I would still get agents calling for a supervisor everytime I would fly. Know I hate flying and not having my knife ( I rarely check a bag non-reving ) maybe its just a safety blanket thing.

 

[Us/boston]

Hmmmm......so before 9/11 how many box cutters were used on aircraft or even seen on aircraft? How many flight crew were threatened by box cutters? I agree with one of the posters that a "bad guy" with a pencil is more dangerous than a "good guy" with "what ever". 🙂

All true but why does it have to be about hijacking an aircraft. Why not keep the ban just because these things are sharp and dangerous. We get unstable Pax all the time. Its just bad news to have these things onboard. The more of these things they keep banned the better. The TSA is there to protect me and my pax. Not just to prevent the aircraft from being hijacked.

 

[RowUnderDCA]

I think that part of a flight attendent's job description should state something like:

must be able to handle and disable violent passengers, including those that might be armed with a small blade or other item that might be dangerous.

Sorry, Flight Attendents, but it's a new world.

I mean to say if you want to professionalize the flight attendent job, you might want to add in the skills that are valued by the customer. Flight attendents should HELP provide security in the cabin, not simply be consumers of security provided by somebody else. You may WANT me to value the sweet young thing or the comforting accomodating grand ma, but I don't. Sorry, I don't need that.

You're all perfectly deserving of respect, but you don't make my flying experience more valuable.

 

[Seatacus]

Could someone post a link to verify that this subject is even being considered by TSA?