Bundy. why no interest?
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So why was that fiasco ever even begun then? How is it at all possible for anyone to continue any even semi-rational attempts at justifying such insanity?
By "that fiasco"; I meant the insane level of force applied to that situation, which, quite certainly, could've resulted in needless, violent deaths...and really for WHAT? Cows were rounded up (at great expense to taxpayers). A few were killed, for no good reason, and the rest then returned. That buffoon Bundy's paid nothing I'm aware of to the government due to any of this BLM insanity. NOTHING was actually accomplished by ANY of this lunacy that can be readily seen. What am I truly missing here, that would magically help the Fed's actions at all "make sense"? 😉 I'd asked, btw, for at least "semi-rational attempts at justifying such insanity", and you've proved utterly unable to provide anything of the sort.
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By "that fiasco"; I meant the insane level of force applied to that situation, which, quite certainly, could've resulted in needless, violent deaths...and really for WHAT? Cows were rounded up (at great expense to taxpayers). A few were killed, for no good reason, and the rest then returned. That buffoon Bundy's paid nothing I'm aware of to the government due to any of this BLM insanity. NOTHING was actually accomplished by ANY of this lunacy that can be readily seen. What am I truly missing here, that would magically help the Fed's actions at all "make sense"? 😉 I'd asked, btw, for at least "semi-rational attempts at justifying such insanity", and you've proved utterly unable to provide anything of the sort.
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How else do enforce the law on armed criminals? The guys cattle are trespassing on Federal land. The courts have said his cattle must vacate the land. The BLM has said his cattle must vacate the land. Should we just let him go on breaking the law without consequence? That would set a really great precedence. There is a lot you are missing but that is no surprise. The courts have have spoken and it is up to law enforcement to execute the orders. They do not have the right nor ability to pick and choose what they would like to up hold.
I am a bit confused as to why this crook and anyone else who prevents the federal officers from doing their job are not in jail and why it has taken 20 years for the BLM to step in and execute the court orders. He has violated the law for 20 years. Peaceful attempts have all failed. So and armed response is necessary. I fear the BLM will fail on this endeavor. When you have a whack job ready to put women and children on the front line to be the first casualties of an armed effort to enforce the law on criminals, you know you are dealing with a person completely detached from reality and with no regard for human life. Unfortunately this will set a very bad precedent for the future.
This is the type of criminal you are supporting.
I am a bit confused as to why this crook and anyone else who prevents the federal officers from doing their job are not in jail and why it has taken 20 years for the BLM to step in and execute the court orders. He has violated the law for 20 years. Peaceful attempts have all failed. So and armed response is necessary. I fear the BLM will fail on this endeavor. When you have a whack job ready to put women and children on the front line to be the first casualties of an armed effort to enforce the law on criminals, you know you are dealing with a person completely detached from reality and with no regard for human life. Unfortunately this will set a very bad precedent for the future.
This is the type of criminal you are supporting.
Ms Tree said:
Referencing the bizarre Bundy business: What serious "criminal" charges have been brought and prosecuted thus far? Any? Per your last: It would seem the BLM (a presumably infallible government agency) thought it best to return the cattle, apparently even to dangerous, "armed criminals". Why don't you go ask them? It was that august agency (who's insane actions you so heartily applaud) that returned impounded assets to a person who's owed the government funds for decades...and yet this all somehow "makes sense" to you, and you're clearly pleased to thrash cheerleader's pom poms around for them...? Perhaps you should address all concerns about clearly having "no plan" to the appropriate agencies?
The bottom line is whenever brandishing the mechanism of deadly force around: It's always a good plan to have at least some idea of where to draw the line on killing people. Where's your "line"?...Owed funds?...Cattle grazing in the desert?...Racist remarks?...What? Think about that a bit prior to wearing out too many sets of pom poms in favor of heavily armed actions by any agency......
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I do not think grazing disputes are not settled by "ARMED" Bureau of Land Management personel!Ms Tree said:
And you never answered, why exactly do we need an "ARMED" Bureau of Land Management? I got it! When the Chinese finally come to collect all the money BaRack is borrowing and decide to take their payment in land, we'll send out the "Bureau of Land Management Swat Team"!
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EastUS1 said:
That's the thing, it has gone through the courts. In 1998 a federal judge issued an injunction against Bundy telling him to remove his cattle from federal land. He lost his appeal in federal appeals court. In August 2013 a court order states he has 45 days to remove his cattle. In October a federal judge ordered him not to interfere with BLM removal of his cattle from federal land.
As you can see this is not a case of some nameless BLM bureaucrat showing up to work one day and deciding to take his cattle.
777 fixer said:
Please understand that my serious concerns here are solely with the use of dangerous, unwarranted and excessive force against private citizens, and not the Bundy case per se, but since we're now discussing legalities: Why shouldn't the agents of the BLM be held accountable for facilitating a criminal enterprise, and directly violating the intent of court orders by returning the cattle? True or False: A court order was specifically drawn up for the cattle removal, which they initially performed, but almost immediately reneged on. Is not the BLM also essentially acting in wholesale contempt of court orders and intentions by doing that? Anyone care to spin that for us?
I've an additional point of curiosity here: Much love and adoration is nowadays lavished from the "Left" for even the very words Federal and Law....When the Hell did the supposedly "liberal" Left morph into such a government-worshiping "Vee all must chust follow orders, Ja?" bunch, that so unquestionably, cheerfully and blindly bend like blades of grass to even the slightest sneeze from DC?...And WHY is that? To those on the "Left"; anyone from the "Right" seems subhuman, as is the reverse the sad case as well. Has the entire nation just gone completely crazy and lost all of our collective ability to even THINK at ALL?
Whatever else is true: No one in America should ever be viewed through any sniper scope just over some frikkin' cattle grazing in a fairly remote desert...Period! How can anyone honestly support such insanity? Life is far too precious a gift to play potentially deadly games with...and for WHAT in this instance? Is that both basic and reasonable enough for all concerned here?
southwind said:
LOL...Yep and they would certainly have their hands full with that. 😉 Note how precious little of Nevada is actually owned by anyone BUT the feds:
http://nationalatlas.gov/mapmaker?AppCmd=CUSTOM&LayerList=federallands&visCats=CAT-boundary,CAT-boundary
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EastUS1 said:
You're right, let's just let everyone pick and choose what laws to abide by, ignoring all the ones that we don't agree with. Like a legal buffet.
I don't particularly like all my tax dollars being used to manufacture and maintain nuclear weapons and missile silos, but oh well.
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