Bush's fault......

[delldude]

You'll never get it dapoes. One day you'll wake up to some jackbooted thug knocking down your door and going thru your things...perfectly legally, since someone deemed you to be a 'threat'. And you'll sit there going "But...but...but...I haven't done anything" But you'll need to remember the "what if's" I've been talking about. Because unless you are willing to say that the government is perfect...the door's been opened to make you one of the bad guys.

You don't care about amendment 4...I'm guessing you don't care about any of the others.

Constitution says only Congress can appropriate monies......Talk to Geithner/Obama about spending the returned TARP money?

 

[dapoes]

Constitution says only Congress can appropriate monies......Talk to Geithner/Obama about spending the returned TARP money?

They dont fret over stuff like that. Liberals are more concerned about giving freedoms we enjoy to terrorists so they have an easier time killing US citizens. To them its a no brainer. :down:

 

[SparrowHawk]

Oh my the drama! I do care, however I choose not to fret over phoney/fantasy liberal outrages like yourself.

I certainly am NOT a Liberal and I would point out that the Freedom robbers come from both sides of the aisle.

When a founding father and a Black Muslim can agree on the value of Freedom then some nit wit like George Bush AND all the members of Congress who voted for this adortion comes along and says essentially "Forget about Freedon & Liberty, we're the Government we know what's best.

Look at history and tell me how that's worked out

 

[dapoes]

I certainly am NOT a Liberal and I would point out that the Freedom robbers come from both sides of the aisle.

When a founding father and a Black Muslim can agree on the value of Freedom then some nit wit like George Bush AND all the members of Congress who voted for this adortion comes along and says essentially "Forget about Freedon & Liberty, we're the Government we know what's best.

Look at history and tell me how that's worked out

Dispense with the phoney outrage then. Your freedom is more restricted now then under Bush so give me a break. Trying to preempt terrorist attacks toke zero freedoms away from you.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Your freedom is more restricted now then under Bush

And that makes it OK?

Explain to this dumb assed Libertarian just exactly how my Freedoms and Liberties are more restricted? You attack me because your arguement is morally bankrupt

 

[dapoes]

this dumb assed

At least your honest.

 

[777 fixer]

Someone with guts, fortitude and would never bow/appease to dictators/terrorists of the world.

Just think how high Halliburton stock would go if that were to happen!

 

[SparrowHawk]

Just think how high Halliburton stock would go if that were to happen!

Bush - Haliburton

Obama - ACORN

Please explain the difference? Remember in politics, like war to the victor goes the spoils.

Some things NEVER change.

 

[777 fixer]

Bush - Haliburton

Obama - ACORN

Please explain the difference? Remember in politics, like war to the victor goes the spoils.

Some things NEVER change.

You know what the difference is? One is a war profiteer and the other is not. One collected billions in no bid contracts while US soldiers were getting blown up in unarmored HUMVEES. The subsidiary of one performed shoddy electrical work on US bases resulting in the death of US servicemen.

 

[tech2101]

Bush - Haliburton
Obama - ACORN

Please explain the difference?

You know the answer to that

Spare us the fake ignorance.


Moderator warning:
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[SparrowHawk]

You know what the difference is? One is a war profiteer and the other is not. One collected billions in no bid contracts while US soldiers were getting blown up in unarmored HUMVEES. The subsidiary of one performed shoddy electrical work on US bases resulting in the death of US servicemen.

Not ot put to fine a point on thngs but:

I looked on the Haliburton web site and saw no mention of "War Profiteer" as part of their scope of services offered.

Conversely, ACORN's web site makes no mention of pimping or promoting prostitution.

Stand by my comments.

 

[Garfield1966]

Not ot put to fine a point on thngs but:

I looked on the Haliburton web site and saw no mention of "War Profiteer" as part of their scope of services offered.

Conversely, ACORN's web site makes no mention of pimping or promoting prostitution.

Stand by my comments.

Then how about this. Ho many people died as a result of their (ACORN or Haliburton) actions? One of the above have a negligent homicide case pending against them. The death was due to shoddy workman ship and the same problems were found in over one third of the inspections that took place.

This is not to say that ACORN should get a pass (personally I think some of them should face some jail time) but the other should be liquidated and the execs should all be in jail, salaries confiscated and given too the troops (especailly those who were injured) as a result of their negligence.

I seriously doubt any corporation is going to advertise their criminal negligence so I fail to see what your point was on that account.

 

[SparrowHawk]

"Two Legs GOOD! Four Legs BAD!"

I feel like I'm listening to the sheep in Orwell's allegory Animal Farm.

The point was that regardless of idealogy political parties have their supporters who must be rewaded. For me I'm far more worried about an adminstration that would use an organization to attempt to pervert the democratic process then I ever would be a bout a riged bid of poor performance on a government contract.

for example the prior liberal administration and AG Reno violated the civil rights of a church in Waco TX.

Let's hope as each of you attend holiday services that YOUR church is ATF approved.

Want to talk about how Liberal silence dissent? Ask Randy Weaver and his dead wife and son. Dead merely because their beliefs were unpopular.

Now we have word that Barack Obama threatened/bribed a member of Congress with the closing of an airbase if he didn't vote in favor of the pending Healthcare bill.

Oh wait I forgot only the actions of the Bush Administration can be called into question.

Just wait until 2010!! IMO the voting public will be imposing "Term Limits" on a great many incumbents of both parties.

 

[Garfield1966]

Not sure where Waco came into this but Waco was like Ruby Ridge. Screwed any way you turn. This was a cult lead by a deranged 'leader' who was placing the lives of children in jeopardy. Had the ATF not become involved and never even executed a search warrant it could have ended up like Jones Town or the purple robe people in CA who were waiting for the mother ship and then people would have been up in arms about the ATF not doing anything when they knew children were in harms way.

Personally from what I have read, I do not think CR's were violated in Waco anymore than they were at Ruby Ridge. But what do I know.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Not sure where Waco came into this but Waco was like Ruby Ridge. Screwed any way you turn. This was a cult lead by a deranged 'leader' who was placing the lives of children in jeopardy. Had the ATF not become involved and never even executed a search warrant it could have ended up like Jones Town or the purple robe people in CA who were waiting for the mother ship and then people would have been up in arms about the ATF not doing anything when they knew children were in harms way.

Personally from what I have read, I do not think CR's were violated in Waco anymore than they were at Ruby Ridge. But what do I know.

51 DEAD US Citizens and no Rights were violated?

Be real! ever hear the 911 call to the Waco police from inside the compound with the woman screamed "We're under attack, we're being shot at" or words to that effect. There was NO EVIDENCE that any of the children were avused and if there was we'll never know because like their parents they're all DEAD at the hands of the US DOJ and the FBI & ATF thugs sent to attack them. WHY??? Because when you hold beliefs to far to the right of the Liberal in power they dub you as Dangerous and they actively seek to silence you.

Now if you're ACORN you get federal money.

David Koresh used to leave the Waco compound EvERY Saturday Morning and could have been easily scooped up had the Government thugs done their jobs as the professionals they are supposed to be.

It would or should be cleae ro all that something was amiss at the Branch davidian Compand and that wrongdoing was certainly likely and that action should have been taken by authorities. Anyone who has done so much as google the word "cult" knows that the one sure fire way to bring down a cult is to seperate the leader(s) from the followers. By all accounts the FBI/ATF had ample opportunity to snatch up David Koresh and chose not to. This fact has led to numerous conspiracy theories

You would also do well to remember that had the Feds handled Waco in a manner that protected the rights of those in the Branch Davidian compound NOT named David Koresh no one would have ever heard of Timothy McVeigh and an additional 166 citizens of the Republic would still be alive this very day.

Waco & Ruby Ridge stand in bold relief as examples of what happens when you have Liberals in charge. They preach "Freedom of Speech/Expression" with the subtext of "Just so long as we agree with what you say"

Were it not for Janet Reno do you really yhink any of us would know/care who Randy Weaver is? For those of you unaware Randy Weaver and his 3 surviving children settled their wrongful death suit with the US Government for $3.1 Million.. NEWS FLASH, when the government writes you a check to avoid trial they don't do it because they are in the right. Afterall the have the full weight of the federal budget to throw as many dollars at a conviction as they choose. ALSO NOTE: that Randy Weaver was AQUITTED of all charges except for a minor gun possession charge. This case was so heinous that the State of Idaho filed charges. Excerpt from DOJ press Release.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

THURSDAY, AUGUST 21, 1997

JUSTICE DEPARTMENT PRESS RELEASE
REGARDING CHARGES FILED AGAINST LON HORIUCHI

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Following the filing of a state complaint against FBI agent Lon Horiuchi in Idaho today, the Justice Department said it will continue to pay for his legal representation. The Department also explained that when examining Horiuchi's conduct, federal prosecutors and Idaho prosecutors enforce different criminal laws, using different legal standards.

Horiuchi was a member of the FBI Hostage Rescue Team involved in the August 1992, standoff at Ruby Ridge, Idaho. Since his 1995 appearance before Congress, and his involvement in a civil case, Horiuchi has received legal representation paid for by the Justice Department.

Now od course we ACORN and their questionable activities NOT being held accountable by the FBI. Why not surround one of their offices and kill a few wives and kids? Because they are so called "Progressives" and not the hate mongering racsist the DOJ created in Randy Weaver.

Like I said all we get from the Left is "Four Legs Good, Tow Legs bad" The hypocrissy is staggering. Let's see if somebody can blame Ruby Ridge, Waco, and the OK city bombing on Bush.

Hey say what you will but as least Bush didn't order the FBI to kill it's own citizens. At least he had the good sense to torture jihadists who were shooting at us.