Cabin Jumpseat Safety Policy

[4merresrat]

humm, I read my post again and I do not see where I said or even implied that the company "should" absorb the cost of their new uniform/alterations. I simply noted that they may have to purchase a new uniform, because due to weight loss the new uniform the company just gave them might not fit.

HMM, I included your exact quote in my post, but I'll add it again. . . your direct quote;

"And when they do finally fit into that jumpseat again, without an extension, they will get the added prize of buying a new uniform unless the company is going to be generous and replace them."

I would say your implication is pretty clear. . . that one who lost weight to fit into the jump seat (to be able to perform their job) would have to buy a new uniform unless the company deamed to be "generous and replace them."

Again I ask why should the company supply you with a new uniform if you must lose weight to perform the job you were hired to perform?

 

[Bear96]

Yes, there is thyroid replacement medication but it doesn't promote weight loss. And when your metabolism has come to a screeching halt, maintaining and loosing weight can be a real battle.

Consume fewer calories than you burn each day.

It may be relatively harder for some than for others. But the underyling concept is simple.

 

[sharktooth]

Consume fewer calories than you burn each day.

It may be relatively harder for some than for others. But the underyling concept is simple.

So, you really meant to say, there are no fat people in concentration camps, right?

BTW, because of your comment, I would think you really have no idea what calories are about. It is never as simple as a one to one correlation. Foods quantified as the same number of calories are rarely used the same by different human bodies and even combining different foods of the same caloric content can change the equation quite a bit.

For instance, consuming alcoholic beverages exclusively, though containing tremendous amounts of calories and counter to your simple assertion, will result in a weight loss.

 

[Twicebaked]

Well, during recurrent you get into a jumpseat strapped in the whole time. If you don't fit...you keep going and then at the end you are pulled aside and told that you would be contacted by a supervisor. Hence, you are pulled off line.....

It is about time this happens..... some are WAY TO BIG!!!!!

 

[AL-PS-PI-AW]

Well, during recurrent you get into a jumpseat strapped in the whole time. If you don't fit...you keep going and then at the end you are pulled aside and told that you would be contacted by a supervisor. Hence, you are pulled off line.....

It is about time this happens..... some are WAY TO BIG!!!!!

What do you mean by "strapped in the whole time"? Some of those jumpseat mock ups at the CLT training center are so beat up. They better get fixed up to resemble an actual FA jumpseat we have on the A/C, or there are going to be MAJOR problems.

 

[PHX-F/A]

The jumpseats will be located at the training center. If you are sent there for a, I guess it would be called a size test?, and if all turns out well you will be paid for your time, if you do not fit then you will be placed on leave until you do.

So it won't be random seats, but fixed seats.

The jump seat "test' is at recurrent training as of 5/1

 

[4merresrat]

BTW, because of your comment, I would think you really have no idea what calories are about. It is never as simple as a one to one correlation. Foods quantified as the same number of calories are rarely used the same by different human bodies and even combining different foods of the same caloric content can change the equation quite a bit.
For instance, consuming alcoholic beverages exclusively, though containing tremendous amounts of calories and counter to your simple assertion, will result in a weight loss.

Oh come on! His statement was spot-on and there is no way you can argue with the fact if you consume less than you burn you will in fact loose weight. . but here you are arguing about it!

And your analogy regarding alcohol is ridiculous. . . alcohol is NOT food. People loose weight if they are alcoholics because they are starving, replacing food with alcohol. They don't eat.

Every one understands some people have more problems with weight gain than others but it is possible. And if it is a job requirement if the person can't do it they do need to be placed on leave until they can safetly fulfill the duties of the job they were hired for.

 

[N965VJ]

<SNIP> Almost every hotel we stay at has a fitness center on the premises with at least a treadmill...or there's a gym located nearby....

Gotta get to the gym... where’s the gyms... Jim’s...

Jim’s Cheesesteaks, that it!

 

[Bear96]

So, you really meant to say, there are no fat people in concentration camps, right?

I meant just what I said. I am not sure what concentration camps have to do with it, but if you have a concentration camp full of people who have been consuming, say, 1000 fewer calories per day than they burn, after a time, yes, there will be no fat people in that concetration camp.

BTW, because of your comment, I would think you really have no idea what calories are about. It is never as simple as a one to one correlation. Foods quantified as the same number of calories are rarely used the same by different human bodies and even combining different foods of the same caloric content can change the equation quite a bit.

Are you really saying if you consistently burn more calories than you consume, some people will not lose weight? If so, I disagree.

For instance, consuming alcoholic beverages exclusively, though containing tremendous amounts of calories and counter to your simple assertion, will result in a weight loss.

False (assuming the number of calories in the alcohol is greater than the number of calories burned).

Are you saying alcohol is some sort of magical weight loss drug - no matter how much is consumed, it will result in weight loss, as long as nothing else is consumed? That's a new one.

If what you are saying is correct, then does adding a few drinks per day to a person's diet mean s/he will lose some weight? If not, why won't some alcohol consumption result in weight loss, if solely consuming alcohol will?

If I am wrong, please provide a link supporting your statement.

 

[Travelpro72]

Ok we have an accident God forbid and your 300lb rump is incapacitated. I'm to get your rear off the jumpseat and drag you to a usable exit? Your gonna squeeze between seats to assist in a fast paced emergency? Ummm ok. I don't think anyone is denying the fact that by genetics some are larger than others. I do think that as a job requirement you either make the cut or you don't. It has nothing to do with discrimination against those of larger size. Hey if they make a larger person buy two seats maybe the larger flight attendant can fly both "A" and "C" if they take most of the jumpseat. Hey lower labor for management. 😉

 

[flybynite]

I flew with a woman who had to wear an extension once. She was built like a linebacker. Tall too. A least 6 ft. An amazon.

And I thought to myself, lord this woman can jerk the door clean off it's hinges if she wanted to and snatch me up like a kitten.

 

[luvn737s]

If someone has become medically disqualified for their job, they should be put on Long Term Disability, regardless of the reason until they are able to return to work. If the company chooses to enforce a job requirement after hiring them, regardless of whether it is an FAA mandate, safety provision or other, they should accept the consequences of losing this person's employment and placing them on LTD.

Do you want someone on Dexatrim or worse, someone starving themselves in order to meet some requirement, to be responsible for the safety of 150 or more passengers? Why should the company build schedules that do not allow F/A's to get adequate nutrition (but you can have all the Biscoff's you want) then expect them to be the picture of health?

I might understand a company's behavior towards a replaceable employee, but the high and mighty attitude of fellow coworkers on these boards would encourage just about anyone to become a bulimic.

And deep down, it's all about the power to make someone feel worse about themselves, just so you can feel comparatively better.

 

[4merresrat]

Do you want someone on Dexatrim or worse, someone starving themselves in order to meet some requirement, to be responsible for the safety of 150 or more passengers? Why should the company build schedules that do not allow F/A's to get adequate nutrition (but you can have all the Biscoff's you want) then expect them to be the picture of health?

I might understand a company's behavior towards a replaceable employee, but the high and mighty attitude of fellow coworkers on these boards would encourage just about anyone to become a bulimic.

Starving themselves. . . denying them adequate nutrition. . . encourage one to become buliimic. Are you kidding me. Beyond nonsense.

First, encouraging employees to take responsibility for their health is pro-employee. Encouraging a healthy weight is too. Obesity predisposes one to a host of diseases including heart disease, diabetes, etc.

You imply that requiring an employee to remain at a "working weight" is enouraging one to become bulimic. Utter silliness. You are stating that the company forces people to binge eat and then vomit? If one can't control what they put into their mouths are they really capable of ensuring passengers safety. If their self-control and judgement is this suspect I really wonder. And lastly, even more ludicrous you advocate putting someone on disability (long-term no less) because they eat too much and don't exercise? Brilliant!

 

[luvn737s]

So all eating disorders are all a matter of a lack of self control, eh? I agree that encouraging a healthy weight is a good thing. Putting someone's career in jeopardy (and the hew and cry of the condemning self-righteous) is counter productive on almost every front. I know quite a few people who excercise regularly and consume far fewer calories than their skinny counterparts, yet are not rail-thin. They are fit, their blood sugar and pressure is normal, yet they do not conform to the fashion-model standard. They pose no more threat to the safety of others than anyone else, and may well be able to carry out their duties far better than someone more frail.

But they're just a bunch of fatties who deserve to be our emotional slaves until they conform, right?

What's really ludicrous is to think that anyone could survive an accident at 9g's by being held by a belt good to 15g's. By the time the extender fails, there's not much left of you.

 

[flybynite]

Since when has this company become pro-employee?

They don't give a hoot about anyones health.

And this policy isn't about anyone's health.