California AR-15 Ban Declared Unconstitutional

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That would be a great meme...except that in order to get the ballot in a lot of states (mine is one) you have to put a drivers license number on it and sign it. THEN...then the number and signature is verified and you are sent a ballot. THEN....when you send in the ballot, you have to sign the outside of it. AND in many places, you have to have it notarized. BUT....we all know those rules are never followed..especially if a Democrat wins.

AND FWIW - it seems that the Chicago problem you guys seem so concerned about are from guns purchased in Indiana, which pretty much doesn't require any of that.
 
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it seems that the Chicago problem you guys seem so concerned about are from guns purchased in Indiana, which pretty much doesn't require any of that.

Wrong. You'd think that after all the times we've explained this to you that you'd be a little more educated. Ah well.

Federal law requires that the laws of the state the purchaser lives in are to be applied for gun purchases.

Federal law also requires that an out of state purchase must be delivered by an in-state licensed dealer.

In sixth grade language for your benefit....

If Jimmy lives in Chicago and tries to buy a gun from Johnnie's Gun Store in Indiana, Jimmy still has to present his FOID card issued by Illinois in able to be able to purchase that gun, go thru the same FBI background check that Jimmie would go thru regardless of where he purchased it, **AND** the gun has to be delivered to a gun dealer in Illinois at Jimmy's expense.

There's no such thing as an Indiana loophole no matter how much blame-shifting Socialists like KC wants to try and assign the blame for Chicago's problems and corruption to neighboring states.
 

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Wrong. You'd think that after all the times we've explained this to you that you'd be a little more educated. Ah well.

Federal law requires that the laws of the state the purchaser lives in are to be applied for gun purchases.

Federal law also requires that an out of state purchase must be delivered by an in-state licensed dealer.

In sixth grade language for your benefit....

If Jimmy lives in Chicago and tries to buy a gun from Johnnie's Gun Store in Indiana, Jimmy still has to present his FOID card issued by Illinois in able to be able to purchase that gun, go thru the same FBI background check that Jimmie would go thru regardless of where he purchased it, **AND** the gun has to be delivered to a gun dealer in Illinois at Jimmy's expense.

There's no such thing as an Indiana loophole no matter how much blame-shifting Socialists like KC wants to try and assign the blame for Chicago's problems and corruption to neighboring states.
THen where are the guns in Chicago coming from? Oh...they aren't following the law. Except someone in Gary might be buying a gun and going to a street corner in Chicago and selling it on the street. Yeah...the bad guys aren't going to follow the laws anyways, so what's the sense in making another law that they will ignore. We might as well legalize rape since rapist gonna rape.
 
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THen where are the guns in Chicago coming from? Oh...they aren't following the law. Except someone in Gary might be buying a gun and going to a street corner in Chicago and selling it on the street. Yeah...the bad guys aren't going to follow the laws anyways, so what's the sense in making another law that they will ignore. We might as well legalize rape since rapist gonna rape.

The hyperbole and false equivalencies you come up with are downright dizzying at times.

Which Amendment guarantees a Constitutional right to un-consensual sex?...

I know you're perfectly OK with trampling on other people's rights when it suits you, but I'm not.
 

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The hyperbole and false equivalencies you come up with are downright dizzying at times.

Which Amendment guarantees a Constitutional right to un-consensual sex?...

I know you're perfectly OK with trampling on other people's rights when it suits you, but I'm not.

Didn't you support the PATRIOT Act? As for constitutional amendments....what militia do you belong to?
 
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Didn't you support the PATRIOT Act? As for constitutional amendments....what militia do you belong to?

Nope, don't recall ever supporting the Patriot Act.

I'm pretty sure I'll belong to a militia if the next Civil War happens. That's the whole point that Socialists miss on the Second Amendment -- it's all about making sure People have the proper tools before they're needed.
 

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Nope, don't recall ever supporting the Patriot Act.

I'm pretty sure I'll belong to a militia if the next Civil War happens. That's the whole point that Socialists miss on the Second Amendment -- it's all about making sure People have the proper tools before they're needed.
Do you think your AR would stand a chance against an M1 tank or should he average "militiamen" be allowed to own THOSE as well.
 
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Do you think your AR would stand a chance against an M1 tank or should he average "militiamen" be allowed to own THOSE as well.

More hyperbole....

I'd say that if there were a second Civil War, the Red States probably wouldn't need tanks. Just look at how well our politician led military fared in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Viet Nam against insurgents.

Those insurgents didn't need to stop the tanks. They went after the supply convoys...

Just for gits and shiggles, let's look at some raw numbers.

There are around 700,000 active duty foot soldiers between the Army and the Marines plus special forces from the Navy. The rest of the Navy and the Air Force really aren't geared to do much when it comes to defending the interior of the US... They can guard their bases, and I guess they could bomb/shell civilians, but in total, they really aren't going to be that useful defending a city.

There are 300 million firearms owned by Americans, of which around 10M are estimated to be AR-15's.

Citizens with AR's already outgun the military by 10 times. Throw in other types of firearms, and it's 30 times the military's foot soldiers.

Now, how do you think that imbalance would work?....
 

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More hyperbole....

I'd say that if there were a second Civil War, the Red States probably wouldn't need tanks. Just look at how well our politician led military fared in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Viet Nam against insurgents.

Those insurgents didn't need to stop the tanks. They went after the supply convoys...

Just for gits and shiggles, let's look at some raw numbers.

There are around 700,000 active duty foot soldiers between the Army and the Marines plus special forces from the Navy. The rest of the Navy and the Air Force really aren't geared to do much when it comes to defending the interior of the US... They can guard their bases, and I guess they could bomb/shell civilians, but in total, they really aren't going to be that useful defending a city.

There are 300 million firearms owned by Americans, of which around 10M are estimated to be AR-15's.

Citizens with AR's already outgun the military by 10 times. Throw in other types of firearms, and it's 30 times the military's foot soldiers.

Now, how do you think that imbalance would work?....

I think the average American, whose idea of "tough life" is when the power is out for an hour on a hot day, wouldn't be as clever as the Afghani's who live in a hellhole 24/7. So they are pretty good at evading a tank. What would you do if a M1 turned up your cul de sac? Can you outwit them?
 
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I think the average American, whose idea of "tough life" is when the power is out for an hour on a hot day, wouldn't be as clever as the Afghani's who live in a hellhole 24/7. So they are pretty good at evading a tank. What would you do if a M1 turned up your cul de sac? Can you outwit them?

Depends on which Americans you're referring to. The average gun owner is a little more resourceful and resilient than the average Biden voter...

To continue down your path of warfare idiocy, M1's are made to take out other tanks on a battlefield. They're really not all that effective at handling crowds aside from intimidation. You might be able to blow up a building or two with one, but taking out individuals might be a little more challenging.

The majority of tanks are either in staging locations awaiting a deployment or at training facilities. You won't find them just sitting around a National Guard armory in the suburbs, and they won't get there without a lot of logistics. They need mechanics, fuelers, fuel trucks, and that's just to get them to the trains needed to move them around the country.

Something else you seem to overlook.... the political leanings of the military. That tank in the cul-de-sac just might be driven by a Trump supporter.
 

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Depends on which Americans you're referring to. The average gun owner is a little more resourceful and resilient than the average Biden voter...

To continue down your path of warfare idiocy, M1's are made to take out other tanks on a battlefield. They're really not all that effective at handling crowds aside from intimidation. You might be able to blow up a building or two with one, but taking out individuals might be a little more challenging.

The majority of tanks are either in staging locations awaiting a deployment or at training facilities. You won't find them just sitting around a National Guard armory in the suburbs, and they won't get there without a lot of logistics. They need mechanics, fuelers, fuel trucks, and that's just to get them to the trains needed to move them around the country.

Something else you seem to overlook.... the political leanings of the military. That tank in the cul-de-sac just might be driven by a Trump supporter.

Then why would you need our AR's if the military full of losers and suckers (Trumps words) is going to turn against a Democrat in office? They'd be doing all the "heavy lifting" so there is no need for the citizen militia to be armed.
 

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