California sides with the animal rights nuts

I'm going to go out on a limb but I am guessing you did not even read the IIHS report. You just went with the op-ed piece, read what you wanted to read and stopped there.

The
models with the highest rates are mostly small
cars and small and midsize SUVs, many of
which also have high rates of death in singlevehicle
rollover crashes. The model with the
highest death rate of all — the two-door, twowheel-
drive Chevrolet Blazer with 308 driver
deaths per million registered years — also had
the highest rollover death rate (251 per million).

Pound for pound across the vehicle types,
cars almost always have lower death rates
than either pickups or SUVs. This generally is
because the SUVs and pickups have much
higher rates of death in single-vehicle rollover
crashes,” Lund explains.

In some weight groups, the death rates in
cars were dramatically lower. For example, the
rate in cars weighing 3,501 to 4,000 pounds was
about half of the rates in pickups or SUVs of
similar weight. The exception was light pickups,
which had relatively low rates compared
with cars or SUVs weighing about the same.



Single- versus multiple-vehicle crashes:
In many vehicle groups, driver death rates
are split fairly evenly between single- and
multiple-vehicle crashes. But there are
exceptions. Most driver deaths in large
four-door cars and minivans occurred
in crashes involving other vehicles.
In contrast, in pickup trucks and SUVs
of almost every size more deaths occurred
in single-vehicle crashes. In
large four-wheel-drive SUVs, for
example, the death rate was almost
three times as high in single-vehicle
crashes as it was in collisions involving
two or more vehicles (14 deaths
per million compared with 40).


There is more but if you want to read the actual report you can do so your self. The short verson is that Mr Fargop lied through his teeth.
 
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Sigh!...It was bound to happen. (I'm stealing that picture to inflict on a select few friends btw) ;)

"I know, this thread is going South real fast." LOL (but painfully)...Ouch!....Have mercy! No need to just "pun"ish us all like that! ;)

I'm not trying to punish fellow southerners. I'm an Atlanta native and have South Carolina and Georgia roots going back to the 1760's. I'll confess to needling a few southerners in CLT for making some bonehead decisions with my dues money. But that's a different forum and subject.

All good here at the water cooler.;)
 
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This was a big story in Arizona. A clear case of animal cruelty. If they find the person who did this, they should put him in concrete head first.

Cat found buried alive in concrete in Arizona; rescuer alleges religious harassment
By Andrew Mach, msnbc.com
July 15, 2012, 9:53 pm MSNBC.msn.com

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/10/12662100-cat-found-buried-alive-in-concrete-in-arizona-rescuer-alleges-religious-harassment?lite

A live cat was found half-buried in concrete in Arizona, an act that the man who rescued it believes to be a threatening message from a pro-polygamy religious group, according to local reports.

The kitten was found encased in solid concrete inside a metal tube in Colorado City, Ariz., a major center for the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, a breakaway Mormon sect whose members practice polygamy.

In previous incidents, dead cats have been left on ex-FLDS member Isaac Wyler’s property, according to Andrew Chatwin, who discovered the trapped feline while he was building a horse shelter at Wyler’s home.

A YouTube video shows a cat that was partially buried in concrete in Colorado City, Arizona.“It’s been going on for years,” Chatwin, also a former FLDS member, told the video site Right This Minute, “and I’ve recorded up to a dozen dead cats put into his horse corral. I’ve recorded dead animals put into his truck.”

In a video, shot by Chatwin on May 31 and posted to YouTube on July 1, the cat is seen buried up to its head in concrete, crying out in pain. Chatwin said he had to cut through the metal tube and is then seen chipping away bits of concrete around the animal’s body with a hammer.

Mangled and emaciated but still breathing, the freed feline was taken to an animal sanctuary in Kanab, Utah, where it died a few days later.

Both Wyler and Chatwin have spoken publicly against the church and its former controversial leader, Warren Jeffs.

Jeffs was convicted last year of two felony counts for sexually assaulting two underage girls he had married. He is currently serving a life sentence plus 20 years at a prison in Palestine, Texas, but is said to still maintain control of the FLDS-run communities.

Chatwin, who has frequently been at odds with the church since leaving it 13 years ago, said he believes the act was done by FLDS members in an effort to force ex-church members out of town.

“We’ve in the past experienced a lot of hostility from the FLDS,” Chatwin said. “It was a message sent to Isaac Wyler to try and intimidate him.”

Chatwin said he reported the incident to the Colorado City Marshal’s Office.

“[The officer] kind of chuckled and laughed a bit, and then he said that if it was up to him, he’d just throw dirt over [the cat],” Chatwin said. “And this is coming from a city marshal that’s in the FLDS Church.”

Trish Carter, public information specialist at the Mohave County Sheriff’s Office told msnbc.com that her office was notified of the incident on May 31, but did not respond because it was under the jurisdiction of the Colorado City Marshal’s Office.

“We often investigate cases of animal cruelty, but they were in charge of it, so we didn’t respond,” Carter said.

The Sheriff's Office took over patrols in Colorado City last week from the Marshal's Office at the state's behest.

“Through the attorney general’s office, we now have partrols in the area, and anything that’s reported to our agency we are taking seriously,” Carter said.

Neither the FLDS or the Colorado City Marshal’s Office responded to inquiries from msnbc.com.

The incident occurred just weeks before the U.S. Justice Department sued Colorado City, Ariz., and Hildale, Utah, alleging religious discrimination against non-FLDS members, claiming the cities have been violating the federal Fair Housing Act, depriving non-sect members of their constitutional rights.

The lawsuit seeks unspecified damages for victims, fines against the towns and court orders prohibiting officials from harassing non-FLDS members, The Associated Press reported in late June.

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If they find the person who did this, they should put him in concrete head first.

A live cat was found half-buried in concrete in Arizona,

Agreed in FULL!!! Some "people" are just a complete waste of good air, space and food.....period!
 
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Agreed in FULL!!! Some "people" are just a complete waste of good air, space and food.....period!

I don't know if you saw the video link of it crying while rscuers were trying to chip it out of hardened concrete but it was disgusting. The kitten did not survive.

It was a cruel act, pure and simple.
 
There was a case out here I believe where someone pulled a dogs tongue out and taped it's mouth shut over the tongue. The dog survived and has been adopted out according to the news the other day.


I do not understand the mentality that allows someone to do that to another living thing. That level of cruelty takes twisted to a new level. I wonder if that is how the BTK douche and others got their start?


I am not prone to violence but a certain part of me would like to see this individuals butts kicked up between their shoulder blades.
 
So you believe SUV's are.saver even though you have no evidence to support it and you believe gas is safer than battery even though you posted an article that said there is no difference. That makes perfect sense

As far as SUVs being safer, believe it or not, all vehicles are a lot safer today than they were 10 years ago, because they are easier to control. This is based on my years of driving in a snow belt with freezing temps. The article said that during the test crash it wasn't the battery, but more research is needed.
 
Actually some countries have afforded certain species (primates mainly) certain legal rights.
And this is relevant to the conversation how?

You know what happens when you give intelligent primates certain rights. They take over and invade human habitations. See unlike us they go by their instincts, and giving them, or any animal rights, they take advantage until they dominate.
 

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