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I guess u haven't seen the list of major US corporations that don't pay any income taxes !!!
I guess you have not read the Fair Tax....

The US Corporations are paying embeded taxes as the final product is produced.

Please take the time to read what the Fair Tax group has to say before you comment on something you are not familar with.
 
I guess you have not read the Fair Tax....

The US Corporations are paying embeded taxes as the final product is produced.

Please take the time to read what the Fair Tax group has to say before you comment on something you are not familar with.
The people with money like things just the way they are!!! By the way Boeing and AA are on the list !
 
state and local gov'ts are outsourcing good paying jobs too!


http://www.cnbc.com/id/45187246
 
The people with money like things just the way they are!!! By the way Boeing and AA are on the list !
And the Fair Tax or something similar would be a change from the way things are now. By the way, you and I have money and I surely do not like the way things are. You?
 
state and local gov'ts are outsourcing good paying jobs too!


http://www.cnbc.com/id/45187246

ok I see your point of view. However I do not understand some things. Why is the insource worker being paid twice as much or the other way around.

Why is Grandma raising four grandchildren with her sister? Whre are the parents? There may be a plausible reason but I do not recall the article metioning it.

Now back to our outsourcing issue. Through the referenced article are you suggesting that there is a corelated ratio in our wages and that of TIMCO or China?
 
ok I see your point of view. However I do not understand some things. Why is the insource worker being paid twice as much or the other way around.

Why is Grandma raising four grandchildren with her sister? Whre are the parents? There may be a plausible reason but I do not recall the article metioning it.

Now back to our outsourcing issue. Through the referenced article are you suggesting that there is a corelated ratio in our wages and that of TIMCO or China?
Grandma is making $10/hr...half of what state workers are making at that facility. She can't make it on 10 bucks an hour, that's why she's collecting $300 in food stamps. What I'm pointing is that it's not only airlines....AA...that are looking to outsource, no matter what the experience level the outsourced workers have. Same goes for TIMCO and China. It really comes down to wages and benefits. As long as the rates TIMCO charges AA is less than it costs AA to pay YOU and ME in wages and benefits.....it's a no brainer Buck.
 
Grandma is making $10/hr...half of what state workers are making at that facility. She can't make it on 10 bucks an hour, that's why she's collecting $300 in food stamps. What I'm pointing is that it's not only airlines....AA...that are looking to outsource, no matter what the experience level the outsourced workers have. Same goes for TIMCO and China. It really comes down to wages and benefits. As long as the rates TIMCO charges AA is less than it costs AA to pay YOU and ME in wages and benefits.....it's a no brainer Buck.



The problem is it don't reflect the true cost...Mom makes 10.00 hr can't pay her bills,applys for federal aid,state aid... No healthcare
etc.Who do you think pays the bill's????? The company's make out the public pays the bills...Just look at California supporting all the Illegals,where's their money going? How's their buget? In the toilet....
 
The problem is it don't reflect the true cost...Mom makes 10.00 hr can't pay her bills,applys for federal aid,state aid... No healthcare
etc.Who do you think pays the bill's????? The company's make out the public pays the bills...Just look at California supporting all the Illegals,where's their money going? How's their buget? In the toilet....
Your both missing the point. Why is it that TWO adults cannot raise FOUR GRANDCHILDREN? Where are the PARENTS?
 
The problem is it don't reflect the true cost...Mom makes 10.00 hr can't pay her bills,applys for federal aid,state aid... No healthcare
etc.Who do you think pays the bill's????? The company's make out the public pays the bills...Just look at California supporting all the Illegals,where's their money going? How's their buget? In the toilet....
IS that like the Airline supporting the employees?
 
The problem is it don't reflect the true cost...Mom makes 10.00 hr can't pay her bills,applys for federal aid,state aid... No healthcare
etc.Who do you think pays the bill's????? The company's make out the public pays the bills...Just look at California supporting all the Illegals,where's their money going? How's their buget? In the toilet....
In my opinion corporations through their lobbying efforts have promoted illegal immigration in order to lower wages, plain and simple. It's by design not by mistake. If I was president I would send Mexico and all the other countries sending their illegals here....the bills. Building a fence or simply enacting legislation prohibiting illegal employment by slapping companies with fines doesn't work. The only way is to send those counties the bills. And, that's far fetched as well. The politicians are not working for middle class workers....they are in the pockets of too big to fail corporations.....and it's all part of a network to squash and squeeze the middle class into poverty. Republicans are at the heart of this push and Dems just like taking unions money and not doing a thing for US. WE will be better off only when the American people get off their arses and change the political system in this country. Legislation through corporate lobbying efforts have killed the american worker. And, the unions are as much to blame as the companies. Show me where COPE has benefitted the workers???? But, our members keep donating to COPE, why???????

We can only blame ourselves for allowing the political system to be bought and paid for by large corporations.
 
In my opinion corporations through their lobbying efforts have promoted illegal immigration in order to lower wages, plain and simple. It's by design not by mistake. If I was president I would send Mexico and all the other countries sending their illegals here....the bills. Building a fence or simply enacting legislation prohibiting illegal employment by slapping companies with fines doesn't work. The only way is to send those counties the bills. And, that's far fetched as well. The politicians are not working for middle class workers....they are in the pockets of too big to fail corporations.....and it's all part of a network to squash and squeeze the middle class into poverty. Republicans are at the heart of this push and Dems just like taking unions money and not doing a thing for US. WE will be better off only when the American people get off their arses and change the political system in this country. Legislation through corporate lobbying efforts have killed the american worker. And, the unions are as much to blame as the companies. Show me where COPE has benefitted the workers???? But, our members keep donating to COPE, why???????

We can only blame ourselves for allowing the political system to be bought and paid for by large corporations.
NOthing is going to change the course of the One Worlders. And if you believe that the Republicans are the bad guys, you need to dig a little deeper. The bad guys are both parties. What good would it do to bill people that cannot pay? If we are expecting those countries to pay their bills, I wonder what the Chinese Govt. would have to say. Sad to say, but the only Americans getting off their arses for now, are the Occupiers. If you want to listen to someone attempting change, ---->Soap Box

I quit blaming the large corporations long ago.

Google some quotes by Thomas Jefferson.....;.
 
NOthing is going to change the course of the One Worlders. And if you believe that the Republicans are the bad guys, you need to dig a little deeper. The bad guys are both parties. What good would it do to bill people that cannot pay? If we are expecting those countries to pay their bills, I wonder what the Chinese Govt. would have to say. Sad to say, but the only Americans getting off their arses for now, are the Occupiers. If you want to listen to someone attempting change, ---->Soap Box

I quit blaming the large corporations long ago.

Google some quotes by Thomas Jefferson.....;.
I did say it was both parties, but republicans will tell it to your face that they're anti-worker, anti-union, anti-regulations, flat-tax advocates that help the greedy bastard fat cats. The dems just go with the flow, tell what you want to hear, money grabbers that are more typical of do nothing labor organizations like the TWU. So, we're screwed either way. Like I said Buck, it's by design.....so is the Euro situation, tarp, stimulus packages....it's all to help the rich. The occupiers are wasting their time. What is needed are general strikes like in europe, and some violence in the affluent streets, not main street.
 
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Google some quotes by Thomas Jefferson.....;.
Mr. Buck:

The entire Declaration of Independence is basically a Thomas Jefferson quote and one part that applies well to our shared situation is:


...

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
...

In the above passage, substitute the word "representation" for "government".
 
Mr. Buck:

The entire Declaration of Independence is basically a Thomas Jefferson quote and one part that applies well to our shared situation is:


...

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
...

In the above passage, substitute the word "representation" for "government".

I am sure that there are more founding father quotes that also apply. But you are correct. And I like this one.


God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty.... And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.
 
The occupiers are wasting their time. What is needed are general strikes like in europe, and some violence in the affluent streets, not main street.


A general strike like Europe is a stab of the socialists sword at the elites. The haves and have nots. Are we finally in this that far that we are preparing our sword to stab at our elites?

The only soloution is a revolutionay one. It should be a different weapon based on some of the Jeffersonian quotes that Frank has introduced here. It is going to take more than a general strike because as you have noticed we as an union cannot even agree on many levels. You are suggesting that this is way above our local union government and to correct the differences we need to unite and drive out the hierachy. What seems to be needed is for the membership to solve the 'I got mine, brother" issue before we can take the next step.

Back to outsourcing. Your article concerning the NBA, is not even in our league. these guys are millionaires and are complaining about 50% compared to 47% for their cut. Are you comparing them to the difference of the A&B scales or the losses of the 2003 contract? Are we going to not play if we are told by the union that we must take the provisions of the next offer, please......
 

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