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CLT to Open New 25 Gate Int. Terminal in 2011

have you actually gone thru CLT customs as a passenger when its busy?

The 3 or 4 times I've done it, 2 of them it took about 90 minutes to 2 hours to get to the D security check point. Yet I've made it thru LGW customs in about 15 minutes (from start to finish).

Fortunate for CLT, a handful of USAirways Caribbean destinations allow pre-clearance, which is a godsend. But there are still many without. And I'd expect to see a lot of growth in that region for the company over the next few years as a way to "get back at PHL".
 
perhaps they have a crystal ball and are planning for when phl is drawn down internationally in favor of jfk/newark after a merger with continental or united. wouldn't need charlotte if we eventually go with delta but charlotte would look nice as a hub/international gateway for northwest
 
Not trying to flame your airline, but is this wise considering what has happened at PIT over the past few years?
 
"Allegedly" for US according to the reporter. It's amazing how some believe that only PHL can build something for US without it being "risky" or "stupid".

jimntx,

Keep in mind that a new int'l concourse would open up D-con for new entrants - an lcc or two, maybe?

Jim
 
I was just wondering. If I were the city of St. Louis, I wouldn't spend any major money on any improvement to Lambert STL that benefitted only AA, either.
 
Admittedly, a hub can be a two-edged sword (just ask PIT) - the hub carrier often makes demands that cost the airport large sums of money while the city and region benefit greatly from having the hub. You've got to remember that there's not a hub airport in the country that could support the number of flights it has without the connecting traffic that being a hub brings. Having all those flights by virtue of being a hub makes the area more attractive to businesses, which creates jobs and tax revenues.

So hub airports are in something of a catch 22 position - if the hub carrier sticks around, the airport management is smart, if the hub carrier dumps on the airport, the same airport management is dumb.

Jim
 
A few of my arguable thoughts on this matter.

As far as PHL in concerned, the probable new mayor (Nutter) has recently stated that one of his priorities will be to look at the airport's less than stellar infrastructure reputation AND its Director. If elected on Nov 6 (about a 100% chance based on precedence), he will take office in January.

I propose US would be fiscally criminal to it's shareholders to move any other than very high volume connecting international flights (i.e., low PHL O&D) from PHL to CLT and face the potential of substantial yield reductions due to the much lower O&D. I really believe the CLT endeavor is more focused toward South America (which I have my doubts will succeed) and the Caribbean (which has quite good CLT O&D). Parker may be creating strategic alliances in his ploys with Philadelphia, but he's not going to do something stupid. CLT's real intent will likely be known when they divulge the number of "wide body" international ready gates they plan for this new terminal. Like others have stated, CLT could be headed in a risky PIT direction, particularly with the uncertainties of consolidation on the horizon. But again, Charlotte (unlike Pittsburgh) has a lot of banking profits to potentially waste on high risk bond issues.

Regardless, if there is no merger, US alone should be taking delivery of at least 3 - 340s in 2008 (for Asia) and 7-10 - 330-200s in 2009 and 2010. So Parker has little choice but to accept PHL - or move everything to PIT and how likely is that! An even more hard to believe scenario is that US would actually fly 350-XWB (800s AND 900s) in 2014 out of CLT.
 
CLT is planning to build a new 25 gate international terminal (allegedly primarily for US) and have it ready by 2011 - gulp. A bit risky from my perspective.
http://charlotte.bizjournals.com/charlotte.../05/story1.html


The queen city is getting more gates.

They may want to start building some more lanes on their roads to modernize into the the 21st century. People don't like to get off a jet and get in a car only to trot along like a horse carriage. :lol:
 
I saw some plans on this at least 15 years ago in some managers office. I am not sure exactly where I was at the time. Some office on the third floor. These expansions plans have been on the drawing board for a long time. What I recall is it is a remote terminal where the rental cars are located. This would put it between A-con and the fuel farm on the hill. This is the west side of the field. Same side where the current runway expansion is also. Long term plans like these change over the years so it might be going somewhere else.
 
It was stated early in the year that parking garages were to be built on the rental car field. The new gates on the E-Con will accomodate RJs, not wide body aircraft, possibly 737s...otherwise that will give Express 50 gates on E-Con. This will free up a number of C-Con mainline gates which have been used for the CR9s.
There is obviously something going on. UA has made it clear that they are looking for a southern hub to handle the Latin/South American market. US has applied for Colombia. Now that Delta has partnered up with AF to get LHR slots it would only make sense that US and UA would join forces and partner up with a Star Alliance carrier to assure itself a place in this new "Open Skys" era of the industry. It's no secret that the US Airways name (in public opinion polls) is mud. The name has gotta go. By teaming up with another carrier, taking its name (possibly a new name althogether), replacing current US executives with those of the new airline, we may acutally stand a chance.
It has been rumored in CLT that approx 10-15 of the E-con gates are designed to hold 737s for WN. The CEO of WN was in CLT 18 months ago and met with the airport commission and city and county leaders. Now, CLT is getting a third paralell runway and 25 extra gates. I don't believe that we will truly know whats going on until it happens.
There is nothing that points to CLT becomming another PIT. Way to much O&D traffic. Approx 12,000-14,000 local paxs average checking in everyday. Donald Trump, for example, is building a sky scraper and business complex in downtown CLT, there is constant construction all around the city because the need is there. It is one of the only markets in America where the property rates are still soring sky high. The Queen City and its bedroom communities are growing so fast that some of the school systems are refusing new students due to overcrowding. No, CLT is not PIT. Local traffic if up 46% since 2002. I hate what has happened to the folks in PIT, but there is no comparrison.
 
There is nothing that points to CLT becomming another PIT. Way to much O&D traffic.

I am by *no means* an expert at this, but doesn't IAD have much more O&D, not to mention much higher yields, than CLT? If (and that's a BIG IF) UA and US were to merge, call me crazy, but I think we all know which airport would close and which one would win. Let's not kid ourselves. You want something that's a "no comparison" just look at IAD vs. CLT.

- astra
 
I am by *no means* an expert at this, but doesn't IAD have much more O&D, not to mention much higher yields, than CLT? If (and that's a BIG IF) UA and US were to merge, call me crazy, but I think we all know which airport would close and which one would win. Let's not kid ourselves. You want something that's a "no comparison" just look at IAD vs. CLT.

- astra
You make a point, but UA ,in a press release, announced that they are looking to merge with an airline that has a southern hub. UA obviously doesn't consider IAD a southern hub or it would not have made the statement. CLT ain't PIT (nothing against PIT and not trying to kid anyone). CLT has alot going its way.
 
I am by *no means* an expert at this, but doesn't IAD have much more O&D, not to mention much higher yields, than CLT?
Somewhat higher domestic O&D (2.5 million vs 2.1 million for Jan-Jun 07). Of course, international would be no comparison given the number of international flights from IAD vs CLT.

Yield is more difficult. The part of the quarterly Air Fare report that gives average yield (domestic itineraries only) deals with cities and not airports. Of course, in CLT it's the same but Washington has both IAD and DCA so the yield figure given is for the two combined. Going to the 10% O&D sample database to get average distance and fare for specific airports (again, domestic only) gives:

IAD - average fare of $240.94 and average distance flown is 1,486.5 miles giving an average yield of 16.21 cents.

CLT - average fare of $215.77 and average distance flown of 1,049.45 miles gives an average yield of 20.56 cents.

I'll theorize (or guess) that IAD, being the "long haul" Washington airport (no perimeter rule), has a smaller percentage of short-haul flights than CLT. Since yield for short-haul tends to be higher than for long-haul, the different mix of flights probably accounts for most/all the difference.

Jim
 
Although PHL has a larger O&D US wants mote INTL service now, and if PHL is going to give SW and DL the A-East gates, US simply has to look has to look somewhere else to expand internationally....fees in charlotte/few competitors would make it ideal
 

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