CONTINENTAL (now) Talking to AMERICAN and BA !

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

When you look at the 5 world regions of the world, certain carriers STAND OUT.
(Since there doesn't seem to be a South America MEGA Carrier, then AMERICAN Is IT.

SO,

1. EUROPE....British Airways
2. USA..........American
3. Asia...........Japan Airlines
4. Australia.....Qantas

And ALL.........ONE WORLD(members) Leaders.

If CO joins, and it now looks like they will,...................They will be a Proud(and WELCOME) representative of the allience !!!!!!!!!

 

[brokenwrench]

When you look at the 5 world regions of the world, certain carriers STAND OUT.
(Since there doesn't seem to be a South America MEGA Carrier, then AMERICAN Is IT.

SO,

1. EUROPE....British Airways
2. USA..........American
3. Asia...........Japan Airlines
4. Australia.....Qantas

And ALL.........ONE WORLD(members) Leaders.

If CO joins, and it now looks like they will,...................They will be a Proud(and WELCOME) representative of the allience !!!!!!!!!

US Major Carriers System Traffic*—January-October 2007
Airline Rank Passengers (000)

Southwest 1 85,610

American 2 82,284

Delta 3 61,591

Northwest 5 45,393

OR Top 20 Airlines System Traffic January 2008

Airline RPKs (000)
Air France KLM 16,429,000

British Airways 8,611,000



Almost looks like the DL/NW & AF/KLM network will be stronger than the AA/BA hookup.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

US Major Carriers System Traffic*—January-October 2007
Airline Rank Passengers (000)

Southwest 1 85,610

American 2 82,284

Delta 3 61,591

Northwest 5 45,393

OR Top 20 Airlines System Traffic January 2008

Airline RPKs (000)
Air France KLM 16,429,000

British Airways 8,611,000



Almost looks like the DL/NW & AF/KLM network will be stronger than the AA/BA hookup.

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"AF/KLM" = 16,429,000

BA = 8,611,000..x2..= "17,222,000"

And as far as WN, I meant to specify....Legacy carriers !.....................(MY Bad)

 

[Jim Lively]

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BA = 8,611,000 x 2..= "17,222,000"

I guess you have inside news that BA is going to expand to TWICE their size over the next month or so??

 

[Veritas]

US Major Carriers System Traffic*—January-October 2007
Airline Rank Passengers (000)

Southwest 1 85,610

American 2 82,284

Delta 3 61,591

Northwest 5 45,393

OR Top 20 Airlines System Traffic January 2008

Airline RPKs (000)
Air France KLM 16,429,000

British Airways 8,611,000



Almost looks like the DL/NW & AF/KLM network will be stronger than the AA/BA hookup.

Your statistics are mixing apples and oranges. First, you rank US carriers by passenger emplacements and then (European) airline systems by RPKs.

The most common measures used to rank airlines by size are RPK (or RPM in the US) and revenue. Emplacements are meaningless in comparing system traffic or revenue generation.

According to the February 2008 issue of ATW, these are the top airlines by system traffic (1,000 RPKs) for January - December 2007:

1.   American				222,719,117
2.   United				  194,402,517
3.   Air France KLM		  188,082,750
4.   Delta*				  180,769,958
5.   Continental			 135,654,670
6.   Lufthansa			   117,656,000
7.   Northwest			   117,334,851
8.   Southwest			   116,360,970
9.   British Airways		 103,042,078
10.  US Airways			  102,247,573

* includes regional operations

The January 2008 traffic numbers are:

1.  American			   17,563,219
2.  Air France KLM		 16,429,000
3.  Delta*				 14,602,743
4.  United				 14,042,927
5.  Continental			10,420,270
6.  Lufthansa			   9,497,000
7.  Northwest			   9,070,337
8.  Southwest			   8.825,819
9.  British Airways		 8,611,000
10. Singapore			   7,956,900
11. Cathay Pacific		  7,794,602
12. US Airways			  7,464,663

 

[Veritas]

P.S. Following up on your theme, based on the complete calendar year numbers:

AA + BA + CO = 461,621,360

DL + NW + AF/KLM = 486,187,559

Pretty close, within 5-6%. The AA/BA/CO alliance will be stronger in Latin America and the DL/NW/AF/KLM in the Asia Pacific region.

 

[JFK777]

What is SO IMPRESSIVE about Southwest ? Nothing

 

[CynicalResAgent]

I'd say their ability to post so many consecutive quarters of profit is impressive; their employee morale is impressive; I could go on but I think I made my point. Luv them or not they are an impressive company.

 

[FA Mikey]

P.S. Following up on your theme, based on the complete calendar year numbers:

AA + BA + CO = 461,621,360

DL + NW + AF/KLM = 486,187,559

Pretty close, within 5-6%. The AA/BA/CO alliance will be stronger in Latin America and the DL/NW/AF/KLM in the Asia Pacific region.

There is going to be some cutting on the DAL/NWA side before and after the merger.

 

[luv2fly]

There is going to be some cutting on the DAL/NWA side before and after the merger.

Negligible at best. Very little route overlap.

 

[Veritas]

Negligible at best. Very little route overlap.

Delta is withdrawing 45 aircraft from its fleet in order to achieve a 10% year-over-year decrease in domestic capacity (TheStreet.com). Northwest is likely to ground a whole bunch of fuel guzzling ancient DC-9s. The two carriers' route networks may overlap on only 12 non-stop city pairs; however, the majority of passengers of network carriers connect at hubs en route to their destinations. There is much more overlap of the Delta and Northwest networks than that figure would suggest.

 

[AirwAr]

Nothing against CO, but I don't see the benefits for AA to create an alliance with CO. Domestically, our hubs pretty much overlap. In addition, it weakens AA's position within oneworld. I can see why other oneworld carriers would like it, but where's the benefit to AA?

Is there a hidden strategy happening here? Trying to put pressure on the government to not approve DL/NW?

 

[ual777fan]

Negligible at best. Very little route overlap.

Except for having 4 hubs within a 600 mile radius with ATL, DTW, MEM, CVG. MEM and CVG are almost completely dependent on connecting traffic with very low O&D. Mark my words, within 5 years either or both of CVG and MEM will be PIT'ed. It just doesn't make sense to keep all four of those hubs and there is no way that DTW or ATL would get the axe.

 

[TechBoy]

Mark my words, within 5 years either or both of CVG and MEM will be PIT'ed.

I'd say within 2 years . . .

 

[chucky]

Mark my words, within 5 years either or both of CVG and MEM will be PIT'ed.


Maybe, maybe not... both Memphisand Cincinnati could be spared...but of of course with oil prices anything can happen.