Contract work at MCI?

[777 fixer]

No, they just got better PR people to push the same agenda, and a bootlicking union to go along with them.

Ever come across former NWA people now working for AA? I have and they all ahve a similiar story to tell. That is in spite of AA's pproblems it's still better than working for NWA. Or as they call it Nazi's With Airplanes.

 

[AMFAMAN]

Ever come across former NWA people now working for AA? I have and they all ahve a similiar story to tell. That is in spite of AA's pproblems it's still better than working for NWA. Or as they call it Nazi's With Airplanes.

Considering those people you speak of left prior to when AMFA arrived, they probally never got to see the new NWA and its "know your place in society" management team. :down:

I do work with a two who left in the early 90's and they call it the same pig, better makeup.

 

[TWU informer]

Not the smartest thing to do if you ask me. Going to work for an airline that's not only BK but has terrible labor/management relations.

Pay is good and they have kids to feed. They even became SCABS for better pay than AA offers. Imagine, the BK Carrier with a busted union and imposed Labor Agreement pays better than AA and the Jim Little negotiated concessions. That says alot about TWU right there.

They have likely lived much better than had they stayed at AA. Who knows long term maybe you are right, but with kids, they were not looking at the long term, they were looking at food on the table, and at least being recognized for the license they worked so hard to earn. Most of these mechanics could go to a non-union MRO and make more than AA is paying them. And some are doing that too.

For some, possessing the A&P license that cost them thousands of dollars and years to obtain, then not having that compensated or recongnized is the worse concession of all. AA/TWU will not even let these skilled mechanics bid on mechanic jobs, that have relegated to them second class and called them OSM's. (Overhaul Support Mechanics)

This removes their ability to bid jobs.

Currently there are unwanted A&P jobs on the Tulsa Base, in particular the infamous "PULSE LINE", the brain child of Burchette and Romano. Nobody wants to work the Pulse Line, most that have been assigned there bid off as soon as possible. Now these unpaid license mechanics would volunteer to work the Pulse and get their $5.00 per hour back, but instead they are forced to stay within the OSM classification, and AA Management Teams with the TWU continues the an unbelievable cycle and assigns more mechanics to these lines, only to have them bid off as soon as possible. It is the damndest thing I have seen, Force Them On - They Bid Off, Force More On - They Bid Off, on and on and on, all the while, there are willing skilled workers to do the job.

Sometimes, success on Wall Street and avoidance of BK does not equate to success for the individual.

 

[MCI transplant]

<_< ------- Heard yesterday that MCI will be getting the 767 business class Seat Mod.! Our 767 heavy "C' checks will be going to AFW on a temperary bases. So with the winglet mods on the 757s it looks like we'll all be busy!

 

[mike757]

<_< ------- Heard yesterday that MCI will be getting the 767 business class Seat Mod.! Our 767 heavy "C' checks will be going to AFW on a temperary bases. So with the winglet mods on the 757s it looks like we'll all be busy!

Verrrry interesting! Tenporary basis? I doubt it, unless AFW can't handle the work for some reason.

"American plans to retrofit business cabins in its Boeing 767-300(58) and Boeing 777(46) aircraft over the next year or so".

 

[mike757]

<_<----- Mike, I don't doubt what you say. All I can say is I personaly don't know of any exTWAers working for Northworst!

Between MCI and STL I know about two dozen... If your not from Missouri you might not know them.

 

[MCI transplant]

Between MCI and STL I know about two dozen... If your not from Missouri you might not know them.

<_< ------ So! You know of about two dozen? Are you from Missouri? Or do you work for Northworst? 😉 Which is it?

 

[mike757]

<_< ------ So! You know of about two dozen? Are you from Missouri? Or do you work for Northworst? 😉 Which is it?

I've worked MCI and STL for TWAA. Not NWA.

Let me make myself clear.

The guys I know work for ABX, they are contracted to perform line maintenance for NWA. The last I heard, they earn $27 per hour no benefits. In STL they make closer to $20 + benefits...

 

[Bob Owens]

I think given the high cost of medical, that it is far cheaper to work an emlpoyee overtime, than to place another one on payroll.

I am taking a position one way or the other on the union stand about bringing back more heads.

But the truth is, medical coverage plus wages for an additional employee is far more expensive from an operating stand point than working current employees overtime.

Me persoanlly, never have worked much overtime anyway, I acutally would prefer not to even be at work 8 hours per day, much less 10 or 12.

That may have been true when we had full medical coverage without paying for it. Now much of the cost for medical has been transferred to the employee through payroll deductions for coverage and copays and uncovered expenses. You can look up what the company paid out towards medical on jet net.

Years ago they used to claim that you should double the employees hourly wage to figure out the total cost to the company with benifits included, so yea it would be cheaper to keep somone at 1.5X (benifits costs are not increased with ot) than to hire more at 2X (assuming that the starting wage is near or at top wage) however with the severe decline in benifits and changes in pensions rules that were designed to destroy the system that figure is much lower. I would say that benifits, including SS, would probably not even bring that figure to 1.5x now.

I've worked MCI and STL for TWAA. Not NWA.

Let me make myself clear.

The guys I know work for ABX, they are contracted to perform line maintenance for NWA. The last I heard, they earn $27 per hour no benefits. In STL they make closer to $20 + benefits...

Well they probably get Social Security. The reason I bring that up is because when other carriers cite their benifits costs Social Security is usually included which distorts the figures.

So starting pay for a scab outfit for an A&P is $27/hr and at the TWU represented AA its what, $13/hr?

I know of few AA'ers who had been shafted on experience recognition and then stripped of their license pay that quit and went to scab.

The best one though, is Jerry Sowells, the TWU spokesperson from Northwest against AMFA. One guess where he is today? Inside the gates and across the picket line scabbing for Northwest Airlines.

This guy came to TWU Shop Stewards Meetings, and AMFA Informational Meetings all expenses and lost time paid by the TWU, and now look, he is nothing more than a worthless scab.

I wonder if the TWU will bring him back for the next AMFA drive?

 

[mike7867]

<_<----- Mike, I don't doubt what you say. All I can say is I personaly don't know of any exTWAers working for Northworst!

hate to say it but i know a few x twa guys working for northwest here in st.louis. and if you think aa was bad you should work for the company i am working for now. working twice as hard for alot less.

 

[MCI transplant]

hate to say it but i know a few x twa guys working for northwest here in st.louis. and if you think aa was bad you should work for the company i am working for now. working twice as hard for alot less.

<_< ---- Sorry to hear that on both counts! I still say I feel TWA had some of the best Maintenance people in the Industry! But talk is cheap, and we had to prove it time and again to aa! I've talked to people, who have talked to the big wigs, and try as we may no recalls!---- YET! And the boys in TUL wouldn't like it if we did! Politics being what they are in this company! But if ALCOA comes up with some aircraft, there's no way they can get around it! And I heard today they may have leads on two 757's! 😛 So what happens if the first Business Class Mod. and ALCOA show up at the same time? 😛 They're up a creek!!!

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Aw, "no sweat", MCI,

AA will probably "FORCE" you guys to 12 hour days .

Oh,
Does the current contract say you can only "force" 2 days in a row(or something similiar) ??

Well, NO problem then. The.. - - - - suckers(twu) will change that, to 5 "force days", to accomodate Mgt !!!!!!!!!

NH/BB's

 

[AMFAMAN]

<_< ---- Sorry to hear that on both counts! I still say I feel TWA had some of the best Maintenance people in the Industry! But talk is cheap, and we had to prove it time and again to aa! I've talked to people, who have talked to the big wigs, and try as we may no recalls!---- YET! And the boys in TUL wouldn't like it if we did! Politics being what they are in this company! But if ALCOA comes up with some aircraft, there's no way they can get around it! And I heard today they may have leads on two 757's! 😛 So what happens if the first Business Class Mod. and ALCOA show up at the same time? 😛 They're up a creek!!!

Ever feel like you're set up to fail? They probaly are hoping you guys stop defying the odds and getting airplanes out with less and less people so they can finally pull the plug on you. 😉 Sooner or later the workload will get so large, you will fail in their eyes. Just ask the class 2 station mechanics who just got layed off. :down:

 

[MCI transplant]

Aw, "no sweat", MCI,

AA will probably "FORCE" you guys to 12 hour days .

Oh,
Does the current contract say you can only "force" 2 days in a row(or something similar) ??

Well, NO problem then. The.. - - - - suckers(twu) will change that, to 5 "force days", to accommodate Mgt !!!!!!!!!

NH/BB's

<_< ----- Bear, we may be dumb! But we're not stupid! We've finally got to a point where we have a little leverage working in our favor! If we have the ALCOA projects and the 767 business class working! We're in a better position to negotiate "improvements"! Tell now, we were working just to survive! I believe those days are over! We've proven that we can make them money, and we can get things done! And for some strange reason, that impresses them! They can try and "force" things on us, but if they do they may find, for some strange reason, things might just come to a screaching holt! :huh:

 

[Bob Owens]

😛 So what happens if the first Business Class Mod. and ALCOA show up at the same time? 😛 They're up a creek!!!

No, they just send it to Tulsa or AFW. They could even send it to the Line stations, werent some of the door mods done in Boston?