Corporate Security Raids LGA Locker Room

[WingNaPrayer]

Obviously AA doesn't care about or for any excuses. You have 16 hours of your own time to sleep all you want, just to make sure you are awake and ready to give the company the 8 hours they hand you money in exchange for. 16 hours . . . that is a long time considering the average body needs only 7 to the 8 hours of recommended sleep. That is enough to get your recommended dose and work two 8 hour jobs or one 8 hour shift plus overtime for your employer who has every right to expect that you will not be sleeping on the clock.

If you don't like mids, don't work them. Those of you accusing the people who don't approve of sleeping on the job of never having worked mids are the ones with no clue. I worked a graveyard shift all through 4 years of college and two years of grad, and not once did I sleep on the job and it doesn't matter what the job is, it's still night work, right?

 

[Hopeful]

Obviously AA doesn't care about or for any excuses. You have 16 hours of your own time to sleep all you want, just to make sure you are awake and ready to give the company the 8 hours they hand you money in exchange for. 16 hours . . . that is a long time considering the average body needs only 7 to the 8 hours of recommended sleep. That is enough to get your recommended dose and work two 8 hour jobs or one 8 hour shift plus overtime for your employer who has every right to expect that you will not be sleeping on the clock.

If you don't like mids, don't work them. Those of you accusing the people who don't approve of sleeping on the job of never having worked mids are the ones with no clue. I worked a graveyard shift all through 4 years of college and two years of grad, and not once did I sleep on the job and it doesn't matter what the job is, it's still night work, right?

For all you pro company anti mechanic people, you really don't have a clue with this sleeping issue.
Local management, especially at LGA, has managed to stay at the top of the pack in terms of reliability, on time performance and work accomplished because they have always made "deals"...
This is smart management if you ask me....Give the people a few perks to ensure a good operation..

But I guess only executives are the ones allowed perks in your world.....Local management knows they can't change the terms of the contract so they "take care" of those who take care of the operation.

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

Those of you accusing the people who don't approve of sleeping on the job of never having worked mids are the ones with no clue. I worked a graveyard shift all through 4 years of college and two years of grad, and not once did I sleep on the job and it doesn't matter what the job is, it's still night work, right?

The all knowing has spoken

:huh:

 

[WingNaPrayer]

For all you pro company anti mechanic people, you really don't have a clue with this sleeping issue.
Local management, especially at LGA, has managed to stay at the top of the pack in terms of reliability, on time performance and work accomplished because they have always made "deals"...
This is smart management if you ask me....Give the people a few perks to ensure a good operation..

But I guess only executives are the ones allowed perks in your world.....Local management knows they can't change the terms of the contract so they "take care" of those who take care of the operation.

What you are saying suggests bribery. If you have to bribe someone with perks to do the job they are already paid for, then you may as well throw in the towel. I can't believe that none of the pro-sleeper set knows how rediculous they sound!

 

[Bob Owens]

Obviously AA doesn't care about or for any excuses. You have 16 hours of your own time to sleep all you want, just to make sure you are awake and ready to give the company the 8 hours they hand you money in exchange for. 16 hours . . . that is a long time considering the average body needs only 7 to the 8 hours of recommended sleep. That is enough to get your recommended dose and work two 8 hour jobs or one 8 hour shift plus overtime for your employer who has every right to expect that you will not be sleeping on the clock.

Wrong again. We work 8.5 hours and are only paid for 8. The company claims that we cant sleep on our half hour of unpaid time either. That knocks it down to 15.5 hours. Lets also take into account that we regularly work OT, sometimes its mandatory, so that knocks it down to 11.5, now subtract commuting time to and from work and you are down to 8 hrs. Now you have to wash your uniform, down to 6 hrs and good luck sleeping through the noise of lawnmowers, delivery trucks, telemarketers etc. Its a well known that people who work nights for extended periods of time suffer from sleep deprevation, the noise levels during the daylight hours and other distractions make it difficult to the extreme to get soild REM sleep on a consistant basis.

If you don't like mids, don't work them. Those of you accusing the people who don't approve of sleeping on the job of never having worked mids are the ones with no clue.

Like I said most arent working mids by choice, the majority of line maint is done at nights.

I worked a graveyard shift all through 4 years of college and two years of grad, and not once did I sleep on the job and it doesn't matter what the job is, it's still night work, right?

Part time no doubt, besides 6 years is nothing, especially when you are young and in college, even full time college is part time, since classes typically only run 6 months of the year. What were you doing at night? Were you troubleshooting complex systems or performing critical tasks often out in extreme weather or was it basically observation and monitoring in a climate controlled enviornment?You didnt even nap on your breaks?


AMTonline.com has an article by Bill OBrien a former FAA official who also runs Human Factors training programs about communication between pilots and mechanics and he list common atributions of the two, one thing it states is that mechanics tend to be morning people, in other words they are not ideal for night shift work. It also states that peak productivity comes from the first 6 hours, even if, a big if, they have adjusted to night shift.

 

[eolesen]

So, you think making a side-deal that contradicts AA's rules & regulations is OK?...

What's next -- allowing FA's at BOS to take their commission directly out of the deposit envelope "just to keep the peace"?

Or allow some locations to resume their practice of putting up a noose in the breakroom as a symbol of unity and comradery?


I'll say it again -- just because the planned work is done doesn't mean there's not other stuff that could be assigned by MOC or by looking at deferrals in the logbooks.

 

[Hopeful]

What you are saying suggests bribery. If you have to bribe someone with perks to do the job they are already paid for, then you may as well throw in the towel. I can't believe that none of the pro-sleeper set knows how rediculous they sound!

It takes two to tango, company boy (or girl)... Someone has to authorize the perk especially if it's in the form of payola which only a member of management can approve.

Isn't it bribery when the company OVERPAYS greedy executives more than they are worth?

Isn't it bribery when the Director of Maintenance and the Manager give "incentives" to their supervisors and shift managers to "improve" their operation? And if they don't produce, they are threatened with termination and a bad review...

I guess its ok for management and no one else!


Lastly, there really is no defense of anyone sleeping on the job.. I could care less as I haven't been on midnights in over 25 years....

 

[Bob Owens]

So, you think making a side-deal that contradicts AA's rules & regulations is OK?...

What's next -- allowing FA's at BOS to take their commission directly out of the deposit envelope "just to keep the peace"?

Or allow some locations to resume their practice of putting up a noose in the breakroom as a symbol of unity and comradery?


I'll say it again -- just because the planned work is done doesn't mean there's not other stuff that could be assigned by MOC or by looking at deferrals in the logbooks.

I'll say it again, just because the rules say that an infraction can lead to termination it doesnt mean it automatically leads to termination. All local management had to say was "dont hang out in the locker room, if you are done report to the ready room", its not like that never happens. If local management had taken reasonable steps to break a long standing policy of looking the other way and they went up there anyway then you may have valid cause for termination or removal from service. But the way they went about this is like saying should you have your liscence revoked your first offense of driving 56mph in a 55mph zone?

 

[Bob Owens]

Funny reading this thread. It seems those that are the most outraged by sleeping on the job have never been Line AMT's and have no clue how it works. Even when a good explanation is given they still say unacceptable.

Personally if I was a manager I would be happy to see my crew sacked out in a break room on most nights at 4am. Why? it means my planes are DONE. If I look around and I don't see anybody It means I've got guys working. That means I'm not going to give the airline the planes in demands for the morning flights. In a well run station there is downtime early in the morning.

I rarely sleep at work during this time. I just can't sleep in a chair. We work from 10pm-8am. Most of us get finished around 4 or 5 am. At that point we become Firemen. We sit around until it is time to go home and hope nobody calls about a fire. Our fires are line call outs from the morning crews. Some sleep, others play cards, surf internet, read, watch tv. I really don't see much difference between the guy sleeping in a chair and the next guy reading. Both have done the work that was asked of them durning the shift and both are there if they are needed for a line call out.

I do have a problem with a mechnic that slinks off before all the work is done and can't be found when his assigned plane has a call out. Those tend to be the guys that never show up at your plane asking if you need help. The justice is served on a night they get buried. Anyone that doesn't get any of this needs to spend some time in our shoes.

Thats not possible because its only us lazy union mechanics that take naps on night shift, workers at nonunion companies everybody produces 8 hours a day every day, there is no such thing as downtime, even if there is nothing to do, just ask eolson and wing and prayer, they are experts at everything.

 

[iluvaa]

What you are saying suggests bribery. If you have to bribe someone with perks to do the job they are already paid for, then you may as well throw in the towel. I can't believe that none of the pro-sleeper set knows how rediculous they sound!

For going through so much education you really are not very bright. You are one of the ones that say the execs deserve there perks to do there job which they are already paid handsomely for, why so many double standards. Im sick of the greedy SOB'S running these companies, without us they will get nothing. You know things are bad when the lay down wimps I work with in Tulsa have had enough.

 

[Bob Owens]

For going through so much education you really are not very bright. You are one of the ones that say the execs deserve there perks to do there job which they are already paid handsomely for, why so many double standards. Im sick of the greedy SOB'S running these companies, without us they will get nothing. You know things are bad when the lay down wimps I work with in Tulsa have had enough.

Exactly, their ilk believe that only those that are grossly overpaid should be bribed to to what they are overpaid to do in the first place.

 

[Bob Owens]

For going through so much education you really are not very bright. You are one of the ones that say the execs deserve there perks to do there job which they are already paid handsomely for, why so many double standards. Im sick of the greedy SOB'S running these companies, without us they will get nothing. You know things are bad when the lay down wimps I work with in Tulsa have had enough.

Exactly, their ilk believe that only those that are grossly overpaid should be bribed to to what they are overpaid to do in the first place.

 

[Bob Owens]

For going through so much education you really are not very bright. You are one of the ones that say the execs deserve there perks to do there job which they are already paid handsomely for, why so many double standards. Im sick of the greedy SOB'S running these companies, without us they will get nothing. You know things are bad when the lay down wimps I work with in Tulsa have had enough.

Exactly, their ilk believe that only those that are grossly overpaid should be bribed to to what they are overpaid to do in the first place.

 

[WingNaPrayer]

You are one of the ones that say the execs deserve there perks to do there job which they are already paid handsomely for, why so many double standards.

Am I on glue or did you just accuse me of being a corporate supporter??? I don't know where you got that idea but you are so far off the mark on that one I would suggest you delete your post to save yourself the embarassment! No one on this board would ever accuse ME of being a supporter of ANY of the AMR executives.

I realize you just fell off the turnip truck and all with twenty-some posts, but did you hit your head when you fell?

Sheeesh! I'm insulted!!

 

[WingNaPrayer]

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