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Crandall gets it - No one else does

They get bonuses no matter what happens. It's a jobs program for the wealthy.
The Wingnut Welfare and Soup Line. Just keep shuffling in line and everything will be fine.

You know what the Fed is worried about? Not price escalation but that those uppity employees might start demanding wage increases! The horror!!! :shock:

Two weeks ago. Read it.
 
So you like his resume I can only guess why. Does it have something to do about an airline still having their pension? “He’s a ahole but our aholeâ€￾ by APA
He will consult for a fee to the very ones he spoke to. Good old boys club
I got you guys in this mess I can get you out
Actually, Crandall didn't get you guys into this mess. He tried to avoid where you are at today almost 18 years ago.

As far as his comments - here's a great example. The [one way fare from PHL-LAX on US is $550 (restricted) and $1,200 unrestricted. That is coach class. The unrestricted first class fare on that route is $1,500. The unrestricted one way first class fare from Islip to LAX is $888. That's $320 less than the unrestricted coach fare from PHL, and only $230 more than the nonrefundable coach fare from Philly. Even though you'd connect on the very same flight in PHL that costs MORE to fly. Crandall suggests that perhaps it would make more sense if the ISP-LAX flight costs more than the PHL-LAX flight. He's been out of the industry for a few years now, but it sure seems that he was hitting on a good point. The thing he DIDN'T hit on was that competeing majors (Delta in this case) were offering restricted fares (for a July 1 departure) for $275 from PHL to LAX. Meanwhile, the only fare I could get on Southwest from Philly to LA was $382. And people wonder why this industry is in the shape it's in.
 
Actually, Crandall didn't get you guys into this mess. He tried to avoid where you are at today almost 18 years ago.

As far as his comments - here's a great example. The [one way fare from PHL-LAX on US is $550 (restricted) and $1,200 unrestricted. That is coach class. The unrestricted first class fare on that route is $1,500. The unrestricted one way first class fare from Islip to LAX is $888. That's $320 less than the unrestricted coach fare from PHL, and only $230 more than the nonrefundable coach fare from Philly. Even though you'd connect on the very same flight in PHL that costs MORE to fly. Crandall suggests that perhaps it would make more sense if the ISP-LAX flight costs more than the PHL-LAX flight. He's been out of the industry for a few years now, but it sure seems that he was hitting on a good point. The thing he DIDN'T hit on was that competeing majors (Delta in this case) were offering restricted fares (for a July 1 departure) for $275 from PHL to LAX. Meanwhile, the only fare I could get on Southwest from Philly to LA was $382. And people wonder why this industry is in the shape it's in.

I agree that the pricing schemes of the legacy carriers are irrational, and as a result the customers perceive the entire mess as way too confusing and blatantly unfair. And they are correct. Back when Crandall was still running AA, he tried to bring some rationality into the system when he started a structure that had only four fare tiers. Hoping that the other carriers would follow his lead, the system lasted about a week or two. Northwest took the opportunity to start yet another of their infamous, irrational fare wars as a response to Crandall's rationality. Crandall had little choice but to throw up his arms in disgust and rejoin the moronic fray.
 
I agree that the pricing schemes of the legacy carriers are irrational, and as a result the customers perceive the entire mess as way too confusing and blatantly unfair. And they are correct. Back when Crandall was still running AA, he tried to bring some rationality into the system when he started a structure that had only four fare tiers. Hoping that the other carriers would follow his lead, the system lasted about a week or two. Northwest took the opportunity to start yet another of their infamous, irrational fare wars as a response to Crandall's rationality. Crandall had little choice but to throw up his arms in disgust and rejoin the moronic fray.
I remember that - it was implemented the week I was in Dallas on an work related emergency. THe full fare ticket I was on was slashed in half. The advance purchase fare was raised $20, and there were only 4 fare levels offered. IMHO, had the industry followed that lead, the industry would be in a lot better shape today.
 
I agree that the pricing schemes of the legacy carriers are irrational, and as a result the customers perceive the entire mess as way too confusing and blatantly unfair. And they are correct. Back when Crandall was still running AA, he tried to bring some rationality into the system when he started a structure that had only four fare tiers. Hoping that the other carriers would follow his lead, the system lasted about a week or two. Northwest took the opportunity to start yet another of their infamous, irrational fare wars as a response to Crandall's rationality. Crandall had little choice but to throw up his arms in disgust and rejoin the moronic fray.
I wonder what Adam Smith would have thought about irrational behavior in a marketplace, like we see in the airline industry today.
 
I wonder what Adam Smith would have thought about irrational behavior in a marketplace, like we see in the airline industry today.

Not to take away from Bob Crandall's obviously brilliant existence, I too wonder what Adam Smith would say about the current situation. I have been watching Congressional hearings on the state of affairs vis a vis futures trading this afternoon and what an eye opener that is~!

I was especially interested in what Michael Masters (Masters Capital Managemet) had to say although the three other panelists with him were edifying as well.

Masters' firm does not trade in futures, so that gives him street cred right there. He says that there is not an oil "bubble' but an oil tumor and what do you do when you are faced with a tumor? You remove it as quickly as possible.

Apparently if measures were taken right away...widening the margins for non-physical traders, oil would come down to well under $60.00bbl in less than thirty days. Sure some pension funds would take a bath but then think of what would happen to the stock market!!! They would make up on that side of it much more than they would lose on the futures side.

Goldman Sachs pretty much calls the shots on oil futures and they have since 2000. But I posted about that before.

Masters and his panel mates all said that not drilling in our own country and off of our shores is not a very bright policy. Just saying we would could make the futures market blink.

If you want to see this testimony, it will be well worth your while to punch up CSPAN.org and find that panel. I believe the airlines have also testified before the same congressional committee. Airlines are physical hedge funds whereby they take delivery of what they hedge. Any physical hedge fund should have a low margin rate, vs a 50% rate for non-phyical traders.

There really is a light at the end of this idiotic tunnel. Unfortunately the Democrats will do all in their power to see to it that it is attached to a train.

So hunker down USAir!!! This too shall pass.

Cordially,

UU
 
There really is a light at the end of this idiotic tunnel. Unfortunately the Democrats will do all in their power to see to it that it is attached to a train.
Naw.

I think the Dems simply want to make certain the Repukes, rightly so, own the problem.
 
Naw.

I think the Dems simply want to make certain the Repukes, rightly so, own the problem.

Awe naw.........who has been responsible for not letting us get our own oil for decades? 😛h34r: I myself am a Libertarian but they have to improve their image before they can attract more people to that party. Trouble is, they won't do it for precisely the reason they are Libertarians. There's not a dime's worth of difference between the Dems and the GOP these days.

A'course, I'm longer of tooth than you are, so I remember "when".

UU 🙄
 
There's not a dime's worth of difference between the Dems and the GOP these days.
I say repukes as the criminal part of the GOP. The ones who place party above country, just like the Nazis and the Communist Party of USSR placed party loyalty above that to their respective countries.

Just like the employees of US, many will not stand up on principle, preferring, instead, to whine and complain but do little to attempt change.

I wonder about a web site devoted to complaints and suggestions, with a weekly posting of results. De-identified results of arbitrations and grievances (which are as much a part of the employee's contract as any). Ideas?
 
Awe naw.........who has been responsible for not letting us get our own oil for decades? 😛h34r: I myself am a Libertarian but they have to improve their image before they can attract more people to that party. Trouble is, they won't do it for precisely the reason they are Libertarians. There's not a dime's worth of difference between the Dems and the GOP these days.

A'course, I'm longer of tooth than you are, so I remember "when".

UU 🙄

I agree that there's virtually no difference between the Republicrats and Demoblicans. My political leanings are also decidedly libertarian, and I was a dues-paying member of the Libertarian Party for many years. I finally quit about two years ago. I guess it was kismet. If the Libertarian Party thinks Bob Barr is their candidate, then I certainly don't belong in the Libertarian Party anymore.

Wish Ron Paul (former Libertarian Party candidate for president) had a chance to win. It would certainly make for some new, and interesting, politics in Washington.
 
fake ads can be funny but those are just stupid 🙄
Ads???? and, fake?

I don't care what you do in your bedroom, as long as you don't scare the horses in the street
--Mae West
 
fake ads can be funny but those are just stupid 🙄

Why because it ridicules GOP members? The ad may be fake, but the fact that Vitter and Craig signed on as co-sponsors to the supposed Defense of Marriage Act is true. It still hypocrisy or chutzpah in the nth degree.

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