Dal Concessions
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jimntx
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I don't know about other positions, but I do know that for flight attendants in 4th year pay step, their new, reduced rates are still higher than what I make per hour.
So lets see:
Delta AMT pay cut-7%
TWU AMT pay cut-17.5%
At Delta AMTs took the smallest paycuts, at AA/TWU AMTs took the biggest overall cuts in both pay and benifits.
Delta- 10 Holidays, equivelent of 2x pay.
TWU AMT 5 holidays at 1.5x pay
Delta company paid LTD
TWU, member can buy LTD coverage for $884
Delta union dues=$0
TWU AMT Union dues=$600
Delta profit sharing= 15% of the first $1.5 billion.
TWU/AA Profit sharing= 0% of the first $500 million, 10% to the cap.
So why do we need the TWU?
Well they take up to $1500 of our after tax earnings to get us half the holidays at only time and a half.
But I'm sure that Sonny is glad that by selling us the LTD instead of negotiating with the company for it he is providing for his grandkids future.
Is it any wonder that Delta workers rejected the TWU? If they had brought in the TWU they would likely have less holidays, would have to work two holidays in order to get one comp day, have to shell out nearly $900(after tax) for LTD coverage that they pay nothing for, and shell out another $600 for the priviledge of saying they belong to the TWU!
Delta AMT pay cut-7%
TWU AMT pay cut-17.5%
At Delta AMTs took the smallest paycuts, at AA/TWU AMTs took the biggest overall cuts in both pay and benifits.
Delta- 10 Holidays, equivelent of 2x pay.
TWU AMT 5 holidays at 1.5x pay
Delta company paid LTD
TWU, member can buy LTD coverage for $884
Delta union dues=$0
TWU AMT Union dues=$600
Delta profit sharing= 15% of the first $1.5 billion.
TWU/AA Profit sharing= 0% of the first $500 million, 10% to the cap.
So why do we need the TWU?
Well they take up to $1500 of our after tax earnings to get us half the holidays at only time and a half.
But I'm sure that Sonny is glad that by selling us the LTD instead of negotiating with the company for it he is providing for his grandkids future.
Is it any wonder that Delta workers rejected the TWU? If they had brought in the TWU they would likely have less holidays, would have to work two holidays in order to get one comp day, have to shell out nearly $900(after tax) for LTD coverage that they pay nothing for, and shell out another $600 for the priviledge of saying they belong to the TWU!
Bob Owens said:
I agree completely. No evidence at all that those years of union dues has made any difference for AA's TWU-represented employees.
But Mr Owens, to be fair, isn't this round two of the DL employee paycuts? Didn't they take a hit last fall (when the pilots agreed to their $1 billion annual cuts)??
Shouldn't you add the two rounds of DL concessions together to get a fair comparison to the AA concessions? I'm fairly certain their percentage paycut is at least 17.5% if you combine their two rounds together.
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I would be interested to see a dollar amount comparison for pay and benefits.
Garfield1966
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Wretched Wrench said:
And how many jobs did/will they cut compared to what we cut.
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Garfield1966 said:
Settle down, GF. This is just a request for information, with no editorial comments implied or requested.
FWAAA said:
Fair enough, do you know what it was?
By the way our total cut was more like 25%.
The 17.5 was just our hourly pay.
Then you have to add in a couple of percentage points for the dues and the LTD.
Then you also have to factor in that we took those cuts in 2003.We took the biggest cut before anyone else and we got our raise prior to that cut later than many others.
Garfield, I'm pretty sure that AA cut more jobs than Delta. In total I think AA eliminated well over 20,000 jobs since 2001.
Garfield1966
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Was not looking to stir the pot. Just wanted to know percentages for each work group. If fewer were cut, a larger pay hit would have to happen inorder to keep the $$ per head the same.
Garfield1966 said:
Actually thats not the case. The company threw out a number for job vs pay cuts, when the Committee said go ahead and cut that number of jobs the company refused because they admitted that they could not run their business if they cut that many all at once. They simply wanted to lower the compensation by a certain amount, they threw out the number as a bluff. Just like the BK threat where they set a unchangable deadline, unchangeable that is until the APFA vote came back "NO", then all of a sudden they could push it back until they revoted.
They took the cuts then over time eliminated most of the jobs in addition to the cuts anyway. So they doubled their "savings".
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jimntx said:
jimntx,
So they make more then you in the 4th year. Look at the overall pay scale. We make more then them in majority of the years. Pull out your On Duty Contract Guide and compare DL and AA pay rates for year 1-12. I think you will like what you see.
I know for a fact that Delta starting cutting jobs back in the mid to late 1990s. During this time, they contracted out ramp at many of their smaller cities. They also destaffed AMTs at these smaller cities. I know one who was told he could take a retirement package or go to ATL. He chose the retirement package. They have also contracted out cabin, freight, mail, and fairly recently, heavy overhaul. They took concessions about a year or two ago; and unfortunately more is one the way.
aafsc,Sep 28 2005, 07:42 AM]
I know for a fact that Delta starting cutting jobs back in the mid to late 1990s. During this time, they contracted out ramp at many of their smaller cities.
AA started that in the 80s.
They also destaffed AMTs at these smaller cities.
AA also did that in the 80s.
I know one who was told he could take a retirement package or go to ATL. He chose the retirement package.
When the TWU contracted out building cleaners a few years back, I dont think they were even offered a package, hence the lawsuit, which they won.
They have also contracted out cabin, freight, mail, and fairly recently, heavy overhaul. They took concessions about a year or two ago; and unfortunately more is one the way.
Are you talking about Delta or AA?
I know for a fact that Delta starting cutting jobs back in the mid to late 1990s. During this time, they contracted out ramp at many of their smaller cities.
AA started that in the 80s.
They also destaffed AMTs at these smaller cities.
AA also did that in the 80s.
I know one who was told he could take a retirement package or go to ATL. He chose the retirement package.
When the TWU contracted out building cleaners a few years back, I dont think they were even offered a package, hence the lawsuit, which they won.
They have also contracted out cabin, freight, mail, and fairly recently, heavy overhaul. They took concessions about a year or two ago; and unfortunately more is one the way.
Are you talking about Delta or AA?
