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day one of two day negotiations anybody have a clue whats going on?

Thats why ALL twu Yes men Presidents were voted OUT ! you are really out of touch.

Exactly we get pissed off about the Presidents bringing back bad contracts & vote them out, I'm pretty sure we will be voting out our president here in Local 514 for bringing back this offer and he deserves to be voted out but it's not the International it's our Local Presidents bringing them back & us voting them in out of fear ...... well not me I've only voted for two in the last 25 years.
 
If the international has no involvement then why do we pay them?

Surely the TWU International has some input in the form guidance or coaching.

Is it possible that the international is manipulating these local presidents?
 
If the international has no involvement then why do we pay them?

Surely the TWU International has some input in the form guidance or coaching.

Is it possible that the international is manipulating these local presidents?

Oh I'm sure they attempt to guide & coach but Bob Owens & Chuck are classic examples that just because they attempt it doesn't mean it's going to happen, some Officers work for their Members & couldn't care less what the International thinks, proving once again that it comes down to the Members.
They also coordinate things like organizer drives, deal with bankruptcies, lawsuit's, Politics (thats a big one) etc. they have plenty to do but most of it has little to do with our day to day lives, they don't worry me most of the time.
It's the Officers & the Members that can really make or break a Union, we have had some decent one's & some bad ones, same goes for Members, not voting on things + lots of Apathy = a bad one ..... Like my math .... LOL
 
Oh I'm sure they attempt to guide & coach but Bob Owens & Chuck are classic examples that just because they attempt it doesn't mean it's going to happen, some Officers work for their Members & couldn't care less what the International thinks, proving once again that it comes down to the Members.
They also coordinate things like organizer drives, deal with bankruptcies, lawsuit's, Politics (thats a big one) etc. they have plenty to do but most of it has little to do with our day to day lives, they don't worry me most of the time.
It's the Officers & the Members that can really make or break a Union, we have had some decent one's & some bad ones, same goes for Members, not voting on things + lots of Apathy = a bad one ..... Like my math .... LOL

So would the fact that Bob & Chuck are elected every couple of years be part of why you consider them the classic examples? 😉
 
Oh I'm sure they attempt to guide & coach but Bob Owens & Chuck are classic examples that just because they attempt it doesn't mean it's going to happen, some Officers work for their Members & couldn't care less what the International thinks, proving once again that it comes down to the Members.

They also coordinate things like organizer drives, deal with bankruptcies, lawsuit's, Politics (thats a big one) etc. they have plenty to do but most of it has little to do with our day to day lives, they don't worry me most of the time.
It's the Officers & the Members that can really make or break a Union, we have had some decent one's & some bad ones, same goes for Members, not voting on things + lots of Apathy = a bad one ..... Like my math


After 40 years as an AMT I've seen a lot of Local/International representatives come and go. No matter what the Int'l does its the Negotiating Committee that votes on the proposals and company responses to them, not the International. Don't kid yourselves that its always the Int'l that screws things up. In my experience the Local's members want to be told what they want to hear. Few if any Local officers get reelected by telling the members the truth, so they avoid the problem by acting like tough guys. It plays well with the members and its a good political strategy for the Officer/President for their next election. As the Joan Baez song goes, we elect leaders and get gamblers instead. Unfortunately, a bankruptcy is not the place for political rhetoric and amateur night should be over. The members will end up paying the price if they don't get the show on the road and knock off the political posturing.
 
After 40 years as an AMT I've seen a lot of Local/International representatives come and go. No matter what the Int'l does its the Negotiating Committee that votes on the proposals and company responses to them, not the International. Don't kid yourselves that its always the Int'l that screws things up. In my experience the Local's members want to be told what they want to hear. Few if any Local officers get reelected by telling the members the truth, so they avoid the problem by acting like tough guys. It plays well with the members and its a good political strategy for the Officer/President for their next election. As the Joan Baez song goes, we elect leaders and get gamblers instead. Unfortunately, a bankruptcy is not the place for political rhetoric and amateur night should be over. The members will end up paying the price if they don't get the show on the road and knock off the political posturing.

You seem to leave out the part where the negotiating team members get offers of lifetime appointments to $100K per year jobs in exchange for voting or selling a certain direction. How many appointees, including James C Little have advance in the International right after sellout? This happens in both negotiations and constitutional convention voting. I first learned of this directly from the late Ed Wilson in 1989.

That is the only reason the Int'l position nomination letter release created such a stir recently with the Local 514 Chairman of Stores. Because that was hitting too close to home on exposing the truth.
 
Oh I'm sure they attempt to guide & coach but Bob Owens & Chuck are classic examples that just because they attempt it doesn't mean it's going to happen, some Officers work for their Members & couldn't care less what the International thinks, proving once again that it comes down to the Members.

They also coordinate things like organizer drives, deal with bankruptcies, lawsuit's, Politics (thats a big one) etc. they have plenty to do but most of it has little to do with our day to day lives, they don't worry me most of the time.
It's the Officers & the Members that can really make or break a Union, we have had some decent one's & some bad ones, same goes for Members, not voting on things + lots of Apathy = a bad one ..... Like my math


After 40 years as an AMT I've seen a lot of Local/International representatives come and go. No matter what the Int'l does its the Negotiating Committee that votes on the proposals and company responses to them, not the International. Don't kid yourselves that its always the Int'l that screws things up. In my experience the Local's members want to be told what they want to hear. Few if any Local officers get reelected by telling the members the truth, so they avoid the problem by acting like tough guys. It plays well with the members and its a good political strategy for the Officer/President for their next election. As the Joan Baez song goes, we elect leaders and get gamblers instead. Unfortunately, a bankruptcy is not the place for political rhetoric and amateur night should be over. The members will end up paying the price if they don't get the show on the road and knock off the political posturing.

Did the negotiating committee get to vote on if we send the LBO from the company? NO

That was Little Jimmy's decision.

You're so full of yourself.

40 Yrs. my ass.
 
Well get the vote no camera's out we are back to saving jobs and a scope clause that you can drive a truck thru they are offering 15% OVER SIX YEARS looks like the INTL is at it again Ream tells the line Presidents we do not care what you think all he needs is 50% plus 1. we will see about that logic when it comes to ops
 
So would the fact that Bob & Chuck are elected every couple of years be part of why you consider them the classic examples? 😉

Yes sir ...... Two very good Men, wish they were Local 514 Officers !

They make our officers look really bad, it's not right but people in Local 514 get their news from Local 562 Website because our site sucks, some consider Bob & Chuck more their officers then their real officers. 😉
 
Well get the vote no camera's out we are back to saving jobs and a scope clause that you can drive a truck thru they are offering 15% OVER SIX YEARS looks like the INTL is at it again Ream tells the line Presidents we do not care what you think all he needs is 50% plus 1. we will see about that logic when it comes to ops

Have you seen something ??? If so is it on TWUbkfacts etc.
went there & didn't see anything, where's your info coming from Don ?
 
Yes sir ...... Two very good Men, wish they were Local 514 Officers !

They make our officers look really bad, it's not right but people in Local 514 get their news from Local 562 Website because our site sucks, some consider Bob & Chuck more their officers then their real officers. 😉

You do realize then that their days as union officials are numbered if the Teamster were to succeed? The Teamsters business agents handle most of the representational issues including negotiations, and they are appointed. The odds of either one of these unionists to get appointed would be slim to none. They may get elected to a powerless local position, but not to the appointed jobs that matter. I would ask you to ask the organizer you deal with what his opinion of these guys is? Considering that he is probably reading this post, have him put it in writing from Hoffa that we will vote on our business agents, and that Bob and Chuck would be appointed if they accept the appointment. If not, I am sure Abnormal will come back for this conversation.
 
Well get the vote no camera's out we are back to saving jobs and a scope clause that you can drive a truck thru they are offering 15% OVER SIX YEARS looks like the INTL is at it again Ream tells the line Presidents we do not care what you think all he needs is 50% plus 1. we will see about that logic when it comes to ops

Just heard the same type of stuff from some of the guys on the base.
 
You do realize then that their days as union officials are numbered if the Teamster were to succeed? The Teamsters business agents handle most of the representational issues including negotiations, and they are appointed. The odds of either one of these unionists to get appointed would be slim to none. They may get elected to a powerless local position, but not to the appointed jobs that matter. I would ask you to ask the organizer you deal with what his opinion of these guys is? Considering that he is probably reading this post, have him put it in writing from Hoffa that we will vote on our business agents, and that Bob and Chuck would be appointed if they accept the appointment. If not, I am sure Abnormal will come back for this conversation.

That's interesting ..... I do want Bob & Chuck to stay Officers, We all need Men like them representing us, not many good leaders in our Membership.
 

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