Delta Anti-Merger Video

[757inthebarrel]

Not really, just having a tough time understanding why a bunch of employees who have been freshly screwed by
"Their Delta", still support management. As I have said before, the board and upper management are in fear for THEIR jobs, not yours.

Management made many bad decisions but what choices did they have when other companies, including yours, started the race to the bottom? No company does business in a vacuum. If you compete with a company that pays food stamp wages and eliminates all employee retirements your employees are going to take a hit unless you have a very wide moat.

 

[bigbusdrvr]

Management made many bad decisions but what choices did they have when other companies, including yours, started the race to the bottom? No company does business in a vacuum. If you compete with a company that pays food stamp wages and eliminates all employee retirements your employees are going to take a hit unless you have a very wide moat.

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I believe your getting the "Big picture"......

The moat my friend is also called "Synergies".....

Welcome to reality......Now if you could help your compadres se the light......

 

[flyingcat]

I have not seen such a thing since David Siegel characterized Herb Kelleher as the "guy who wants your job", The movie Rocky was invoked in that. You should have seen Siegel's face when someone mentioned that Rocky lost in the first movie.

Bottom line every worker should realize is that DL management looks out for themselves its human nature. I would expect US mgmt to do the same if they were cornered.

If you believe that Delta management is not pursuing the merger because their plan is just super great than that is shortsighted. They are fighting for their jobs and when someone is in such a position they will use everything at their disposal.

Its a hard decision pick the devil you know or the devil you don't. :unsure: In a few years we may eventually see who was right.

No matter what happens if the merger goes through or not I hope that we all continue to be professional and work together for the sake of our customers.

 

[MMB]

If this merger goes threw the Delta employees sound like they will be determined to take it down.

Want to start a lottery? If DP's plan does go through, how long before the company goes the way of Eastern?

 

[nostradamus]

A picture of the decision maker that will have the final say.
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[wings396]

Management made many bad decisions but what choices did they have when other companies, including yours, started the race to the bottom? No company does business in a vacuum. If you compete with a company that pays food stamp wages and eliminates all employee retirements your employees are going to take a hit unless you have a very wide moat.

I fully agree, but I would not be wearing any buttons if DL, or any other airline made a bid for US. When HP took their shot at US, nobody got all up in arms such as the DL folks have. As posted above, your management team is looking out for themselves, not you or anyone below their level. Their positions are the ones that are truely on the line, and they want/need your support to save their Butts.
When you take a good look at this offer that is on the table, what is going to change for you? The merged airline will retain the Delta name, and you will continue to collect a paycheck. As I have said many times, who cares if the check comes from PHX or ATL, and who cares if it has Parker's or Grinstein's signature on it? The upper management at DL are the ones who stand to lose the most here, and they know it. If they can hand out thousands of buttons, and get the "Keep Delta our Delta" movement going their way, that is great...FOR THEM..
My point here is, don't be so loyal to a bunch of clowns who mis-managed your company, and raped your wallets afterwards. They never gave a rats ### about you before, and they won't later on either. 😉

Well US could just try and grow the airline on its own.
Ooops, what was I thinking? I forgot we we are talking about US Airways where you count on other airlines to save your hide.
Sounds eerily like a parasite.

Or could that be Delta, who counts on other Airlines going out of business to save their hides....

 

[757inthebarrel]

When HP took their shot at US, nobody got all up in arms such as the DL folks have.When you take a good look at this offer that is on the table, what is going to change for you? The merged airline will retain the Delta name, and you will continue to collect a paycheck. As I have said many times, who cares if the check comes from PHX or ATL, and who cares if it has Parker's or Grinstein's signature on it? The upper management at DL are the ones who stand to lose the most here, and they know it. My point here is, don't be so loyal to a bunch of clowns who mis-managed your company, and raped your wallets afterwards. They never gave a rats ### about you before, and they won't later on either.

Nobody got up in arms because the hedge fund money used to fund the US/HP deal basically saved both of companies from the scrap heap.

I'm sure Parker is kicking himself for unifying a competitor's employees the way he has. DL management couldn't have come up with a better way to bring it's employees together if it tried. The reasons we don't want the merger have been stated time and again on this board, not the least of which is we don't want to deal with endless integration issues. There will have to be massive job elimination and an extended BK for DL. I also believe this merger will spawn many more and we will be left in the weakest of the combined companies.

Lastly, we have some good new people in management who have put together a good plan. I don't begrudge them a payout if they are successful. Parker would love to capitalize on the work and sacrifices of all DL employees. After all that is his M.O. Make no mistake, the greediest of the management types are in Tempe.

 

[wings396]

Just because DL management has a stand alone plan to exit BK, doesn't mean that all will be great afterwards. Once the do exit BK, many of the breaks that they have gotten, will be over. No more screwing vendors and creditors under the protection of the court. No more altering your contract for their benefit. Delta may very well find it more difficult to survive out of BK than they did in it. There are many perks that they got while under the protection of the court that kept them from paying the bills. Being that we over at US already went thru 2 BK's, we know all too well how the book is written. If your Delta finds that it can't cut it this time, they may very well find themselves in the same, or even a worse position afterwards. Given that most of the workforce at DL is non-union, they can be stripped again at anytime without the help of the BK court. Placing a big $$$$ order with Boeing may look good now to make Boeing happy, but what about the debt that comes along with it? The DL employees can come together as much as they want, and Grinstein and his boys are laughing and loving it all at the same time. They must be saying "Look at all of these fools that we screwed out of their wages and benefits, bonding together to save our high paying positions". :unsure:

 

[NYCDelta]

...don't be so loyal to a bunch of clowns who mis-managed your company, and raped your wallets afterwards. They never gave a rats ### about you before, and they won't later on either. 😉

First off, in all fairness, this management team did not cause our BK. Most of them weren't even here. We started losing BILLIONS after 9/11-and never stopped losing BILLIONS. Practically every airline analyst out there (some I respect-others I don't) states the same thing-DL should have filed for BK much sooner. We didn't even take paycuts until 2003-2004 (2 years after losing BILLIONS). My point here, is that DL never wanted to face reality. We were a "family" and they were gonna take care of us. Well, those days are over. Some are having a harder time accepting that.

I don't expect any company to take care of me. However, I want to be proud of what I'm doing. Every opinion I've formed about USAirways, and its service was formed by listening to USAirways flight attendants and passengers on this message board. I have never flown on the new USAirways. What I read, however, worries me. If we merge-can we look forward to the same thing? Powdered creamers, shrunken First Class, little (or no) coat closets, defecting premium customers?
I'm not bashing, these are observations that USAirways employees have said on their message boards. I'm not saying we have to be BA or Virgin, but DL's service, at least is not embarassing. These, to me, are valid questions.

The DL employees can come together as much as they want, and Grinstein and his boys are laughing and loving it all at the same time. They must be saying "Look at all of these fools that we screwed out of their wages and benefits, bonding together to save our high paying positions". :unsure:

I was in management for a while. Yeah, that's exactly what we do. We sit around and think "how can we really screw the employees?" 🙂

As for being non-union; that's precisely why DL always put us "at or near the top" in pay and benefits. What's worse than having a union? The threat of getting one!
I'm indifferent to unions. As a F/A, I don't have one-although we probably now need one. We're certainly not irreplacable.
As a nurse, I do have one, and it's a complete waste of money. You have to practically kill someone to get fired. And even then, the hospital down the road is offering $10,000 sign-on bonuses for nurses.

 

[Flufdriver]

First off, in all fairness, this management team did not cause our BK. Most of them weren't even here. We started losing BILLIONS after 9/11-and never stopped losing BILLIONS. Practically every airline analyst out there (some I respect-others I don't) states the same thing-DL should have filed for BK much sooner. We didn't even take paycuts until 2003-2004 (2 years after losing BILLIONS). My point here, is that DL never wanted to face reality. We were a "family" and they were gonna take care of us. Well, those days are over. Some are having a harder time accepting that.

I don't expect any company to take care of me. However, I want to be proud of what I'm doing. Every opinion I've formed about USAirways, and its service was formed by listening to USAirways flight attendants and passengers on this message board. I have never flown on the new USAirways. What I read, however, worries me. If we merge-can we look forward to the same thing? Powdered creamers, shrunken First Class, little (or no) coat closets, defecting premium customers?
I'm not bashing, these are observations that USAirways employees have said on their message boards. I'm not saying we have to be BA or Virgin, but DL's service, at least is not embarassing. These, to me, are valid questions.
I was in management for a while. Yeah, that's exactly what we do. We sit around and think "how can we really screw the employees?" 🙂

As for being non-union; that's precisely why DL always put us "at or near the top" in pay and benefits. What's worse than having a union? The threat of getting one!
I'm indifferent to unions. As a F/A, I don't have one-although we probably now need one. We're certainly not irreplacable.
As a nurse, I do have one, and it's a complete waste of money. You have to practically kill someone to get fired. And even then, the hospital down the road is offering $10,000 sign-on bonuses for nurses.

NYCDelta...all the negative things you mentioned and we are still going to make between $400 and $500 million this year,and that's with fuel at history high levels. Whats DAL going to make not even paying some of their bills?? Oh ya, Delta offers cream for the coffee and still after taking out "one" time BK costs...still lost 12 million in November. Boy those creamers really made the difference. With the level of customers that we all hull today with the fares being in the crapper...these people are happy to get a coke and a belly filling bag of snack mix. Don't worry about LCC NYCDelta...we are doing just fine, in fact I hear they want to BUY DELTA!! 😛
About the management team that wasn't there when the "Titanic" aka Delta Airlines was taking on water faster then water over Niagra Falls. Somewhere in the range of 8 to 10 million per day. The "team" wasn't there but where was the BOD...sitting on there hands in the monthly board meeting doing nothing. I can just imagine the boardroom chit chat..."Gee guys, Leo said US Airways was going bye-bye, now what?...."I don't know, we're Delta, we'll be OK"!! Remember, "Good Goes Around", where did I hear that before? 🙄

 

[NYCDelta]

NYCDelta...all the negative things you mentioned and we are still going to make between $400 and $500 million this year,and that's with fuel at history high levels. Whats DAL going to make not even paying some of their bills?? Oh ya, Delta offers cream for the coffee and still after taking out "one" time BK costs...still lost 12 million in November. Boy those creamers really made the difference. With the level of customers that we all hull today with the fares being in the crapper...these people are happy to get a coke and a belly filling bag of snack mix. Don't worry about LCC NYCDelta...we are doing just fine, in fact I hear they want to BUY DELTA!! 😛
About the management team that wasn't there when the "Titanic" aka Delta Airlines was taking on water faster then water over Niagra Falls. Somewhere in the range of 8 to 10 million per day. The "team" wasn't there but where was the BOD...sitting on there hands in the monthly board meeting doing nothing. I can just imagine the boardroom chit chat..."Gee guys, Leo said US Airways was going bye-bye, now what?...."I don't know, we're Delta, we'll be OK"!! Remember, "Good Goes Around", where did I hear that before? 🙄

All the negative things I've mentioned come from USAirways employees and FF's. I don't care how much money your company is making, have you seen any of it? No, because your CEO has stated publicly, that all contracts were to be "cost neutral" (his words-not mine).
If you're a pilot, then you can't possibly understand what it's like to have to constantly apologize to passengers-you're locked behind a door, so you don't care what your co-workers or passengers think-and that's a shame, and says alot about you.
Lastly, we are halfway through our BK. We lost 12 million for the month of November, compared to 119 million last November. I would say that's an improvement. We've all sacrificed, unless you work for SWA, so nobody has any room to talk about any of their management.

 

[Flufdriver]

All the negative things I've mentioned come from USAirways employees and FF's. I don't care how much money your company is making, have you seen any of it? No, because your CEO has stated publicly, that all contracts were to be "cost neutral" (his words-not mine).
If you're a pilot, then you can't possibly understand what it's like to have to constantly apologize to passengers-you're locked behind a door, so you don't care what your co-workers or passengers think-and that's a shame, and says alot about you.
Lastly, we are halfway through our BK. We lost 12 million for the month of November, compared to 119 million last November. I would say that's an improvement. We've all sacrificed, unless you work for SWA, so nobody has any room to talk about any of their management.

NYCDelta...yor missing the whole point, your worrying me. Your starting to think like a Delta employee. Just keep believ'n in Gerry and Lee Moaks, things will be just fine!!

 

[wings396]

I will not argue that the level of US service is not where it should be. BUT....Given the fact that people want to fly for rock-bottom fares today, something has to give. If customers still expect meals and all of the other comforts of flying for a $99 fare, they have another thing coming. If US and DL offer low fares, they need to cut some costs somewhere to make a small profit. As we all know, the profit margin for the Airlines is not all that large to begin with. Some of the items that you mention above add up quickly, and save money over the long run. You aren't going to get the same level of service at WalMart that you will at other stores either. The "WalMarting" of the Airline industry began years ago, and has trickled down from the fares to the wages of the employees.

As for Management sitting around thinking of ways to Screw the employees, I know that not all levels of management do this, but there are some that are professionals at it. 😉

 

[NYCDelta]

I will not argue that the level of US service is not where it should be. BUT....Given the fact that people want to fly for rock-bottom fares today, something has to give. If customers still expect meals and all of the other comforts of flying for a $99 fare, they have another thing coming. If US and DL offer low fares, they need to cut some costs somewhere to make a small profit. As we all know, the profit margin for the Airlines is not all that large to begin with. Some of the items that you mention above add up quickly, and save money over the long run. You aren't going to get the same level of service at WalMart that you will at other stores either. The "WalMarting" of the Airline industry began years ago, and has trickled down from the fares to the wages of the employees.

Can't we be more like Target and less like Wal-Mart?

NYCDelta...yor missing the whole point, your worrying me. Your starting to think like a Delta employee. Just keep believ'n in Gerry and Lee Moaks, things will be just fine!!

That's because I am a DL employee, silly!
Seriously, though, can we agree that costs can be cut-without alienating the employees or our premium passengers?

 

[BoeingBoy]

Seriously, though, can we agree that costs can be cut-without alienating the employees or our premium passengers?

Well, when most people think of cutting costs, they automatically think of spending less. Natural, I guess, since that's about the only way to do it in our personal lives.

With airlines, the "cost" that really matters is CASM. Take WN, who spends more on just about every catagory of expense than US does yet has lower "costs" (CASM).

That "cost" (or CASM) can be reduced another way, which parpdoxicly may entail spending more - efficiency, which is what WN is all about. Unfortunately, US has concentrated on only the spending less method for the last 5 years and ignored efficiency. So for, it seems the management in Tempe is largely using the same method.

Jim