Delta employee smuggles guns on plane

[eolesen]

Cheese garters?... Ew.

Oh, that's right. Spelling is only important for the uneducated... 😉

Iron Maidens (the more widely used name for a full-height turnstile) have been around in lots of places since, oh, at least the 1940's... The CTA & NYCTA predecessors used them on the subways to fight fare evasion.

I saw them in use at the AA maintenance bases well before 9/11.

 

[jcw]

Misspelled words come from the uneducated - what happened WT - tough one when you can't spell
 
Are the cheese garters part of your DL retirement uniform

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Cheese garters?... Ew.Oh, that's right. Spelling is only important for the uneducated... 😉

With education and multiple levels of spellcheck, it should be the norm

 

[WorldTraveler]

Yes cheese garters.

And they are a staple of access control

 

[eolesen]

Hmmm. Even Google is confused with the concept of cheese garters...

You might want to actually get the term right if you're going to pretend to be an expert on access control...

 

[700UW]

Got to love it!

 

[WorldTraveler]

derivations from the French

fromage jarretelles

if anyone understands cheese, it would have to be the French. 🙂

 

[LD3]

Yes cheese garters.

And they are a staple of access control

Still hard to say "I was wrong"

 

[eolesen]

Yeah, the French have a hard time with that, too.

 

[jcw]

derivations from the French

fromage jarretelles

if anyone understands cheese, it would have to be the French. 🙂

 
so this is how we rationalize away this error - it's amazing how you can rationalize things away

 

[Kev3188]

Not for nothing, every time I click on this thread, Warren Zevon's "Lawyers, Guns, and Money" pops into my head.

BTW, this story did finally make it to the DL employee website yesterday...

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

After that news conference yesterday from the Brooklyn DA, there are many questions left unanswered. The guy carrying the guns was a terminated delta employee (terminated for buddy pass abuse no less), yet he was allowed pass priveleges from his mother's delta employment?

Will there be civil lawsuits against delta by pax who were on the flight where they videotaped the guy carrying 16 guns, with ammo, on the Delta flight from ATL-JFK?

I do think this is going to lead to all employees at airports being screened. We will see how the TSA handles this. Will they create employee screening areas separate from the traveling public? Who will pay? I do think it will end up with having to get to work earlier unless you are allowed to clock in prior to screening.

Look for the unions to ask for "screening time pay" if not. It will be interesting to see if Delta will be willing to pay employees for time spent in screening lines.

 

[WorldTraveler]

there were buddy passes involved. buddy passes are regular passengers and have no benefits when traveling as passengers. Neither are employees traveling as passengers allowed to bypass any part of security.

there have been multiple cases of airline employees working with non-employees as well as employees to smuggle drugs. Drug smuggling like arms smuggling is never an activity unions can protect.

let us know if any of those people had their jobs saved by a union or if the airline was fined for the actions of their employees that broke the law.

 

[Kev3188]

After that news conference yesterday from the Brooklyn DA, there are many questions left unanswered. The guy carrying the guns was a terminated delta employee (terminated for buddy pass abuse no less), yet he was allowed pass priveleges from his mother's delta employment?

Will there be civil lawsuits against delta by pax who were on the flight where they videotaped the guy carrying 16 guns, with ammo, on the Delta flight from ATL-JFK?

I do think this is going to lead to all employees at airports being screened. We will see how the TSA handles this. Will they create employee screening areas separate from the traveling public? Who will pay? I do think it will end up with having to get to work earlier unless you are allowed to clock in prior to screening.

Look for the unions to ask for "screening time pay" if not. It will be interesting to see if Delta will be willing to pay employees for time spent in screening lines.

Definitely lots of questions raised.

W/R/T to Buddy passes, IMO, they should just get rid of them. They're more trouble than they're worth.

As for the TSA's response, my WAG is that since every airport is laid out differently, they will increase random checks on employees, as opposed to implementing a blanket approach at any given field. That will not only be cheaper, but will also make trying to subvert the system that much harder.

I highly doubt DL would ever allow for "screening time pay." Would love to be proved wrong, though...

 

[eolesen]

W/R/T to Buddy passes, IMO, they should just get rid of them. They're more trouble than they're worth.

UA already took a step in that direction -- there was something posted a few weeks ago about no more buddies on international flights unless they're with a family member of the employee.

We never really had the buddy passes at AA until about 10 years ago. It used to be just for extended family members. It wouldn't surprise me to see it head back in that direction.

If you're fired from DL for pass abuse, shouldn't that apply to using someone else's passes? I know that was the case at AA (i.e. if you lost your privileges, you couldn't just fly on someone else's).