Delta F/A's and the AFA

[StraaightTaalk]

"Actually, we already have a voice and use it. Things change when we complain or talk. They might not be fast changes. They might not be all that we want, but we do have a say so. In fact, our voice is at work right now. Because so many of us have stated that we might want a union, the company is listening to our voice now - without a union. We have had a raise and work rules are changing for the better all while we are unrepresented."
"Things change when we complain or talk." <----------------this is pitiful.
"Because so many of us have stated that we might want a union, the company is listening to our voice now - without a union."

Bluffing again, huh?
Whew, overall it sounds like you've just been riding on the coattails of negotiated labor contracts and management @ DAL has appeased you to stay union-free. This should have gotten old by now!

Git 'cho own on yo' on!

Based on the style, no doubt this is a poster who already participates here who has now created another
screenname.

 

[FA Mikey]

Double posting, sad, just sad StrAAight... You, have no affiliation with the AFA so what or why do you care?

Its a messaging board, you don't have to have an affiliation to post. If those are the rules, you might want to consider why you post so much about AA.

I don't see the ever so glamorous APFA taking on DAL..

No that wouldn't happen. I am not sure you can comprehend the idea of what an independent union is. APFA was created and sole purpose is to represent the interests and well
being of AA flight attendants, not Delta, not United, just American.

You are so bitter, and jealous that it runs through your fingers in your posts..

You sure spend and exorbitant amount of time on how everyone else is jealous and bitter. Sometimes its those around you, its you yourself.

Once again let us ask, what did the APFA get AA outside of BK, ummm paycuts,

Why yes we did, yet to our credit we make more per hour, day, month, and year than UAL and usairways express.

all your mad work rules slashed,

Really, "ALL" of just the mad ones? Did you mean "All" as in everything? Or is it you have absolutely no idea about any of our work rules before or after our contract was changes that you choose to make broad over reaching statements like that, without any idea or fact to back it up.

 

[FA Mikey]

and well - you didn't even have to go into BK.

Very true, by not being in bankruptcy we were able to keep more than those at UAL and usairways express.

DAL f/as need accountability for what happens in the ranks... This will give that to them.

A union will give them accountability?

I am not a cheerleader, and I have sat before P Friend, something I am sure you have never done.

OMG in front of her majesty herself? I am sure is the great honor you make it out to be.

You my friend are jealous that you lost what you have and didn't even have to go into BK to get it.

Friend, yea now that's funny, and people here said you didn't have a sense of humor.

you need to look at what your union did to your acquired f/as.... STAPLE,

The staple you speak of was an independent union protecting the jobs and seniority of its dues paying members over that of another unions members.

TYPICAL APFA style, oh wait, are you THB OMGYASS

Maybe, if it is you can go tell everyone you sat in front of her too. For what ever reason it seems to be very big deal for you sitting near a union president.

 

[2BlacknBlue]

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WRONG!!!! But I will take that as a compliment! I'm part of DAL TechOps and I've watched this thing unfold from the sidelines. These people need some representation! Enough with the smoke! Enough with the mirrors! The VRT! The "top pay for top performance", "at or near the top", "top tier", "industry standard pay", "we'll pay what we want to afford", " you're lucky to have a job!" "if you don't like it, leave", and etc. These people need a contract so that they will at least know what to expect compensation-wise, benefit-wise, retirement-wise, and disciplinary action-wise! I suppose that the overwhelmingly majority of airline employees are wrong to have representation and the Delta employees are right NOT to have represntation! Again, Wrong!

 

[LukeAisleWalker]

WRONG!!!! But I will take that as a compliment! I'm part of DAL TechOps and I've watched this thing unfold from the sidelines. These people need some representation! Enough with the smoke! Enough with the mirrors! The VRT! The "top pay for top performance", "at or near the top", "top tier", "industry standard pay", "we'll pay what we want to afford", " you're lucky to have a job!" "if you don't like it, leave", and etc. These people need a contract so that they will at least know what to expect compensation-wise, benefit-wise, retirement-wise, and disciplinary action-wise! I suppose that the overwhelmingly majority of airline employees are wrong to have representation and the Delta employees are right NOT to have represntation! Again, Wrong!

BlacknBlue, don't waste your time with these people. Lord knows, I learned about that this week. I'm not sure I understand the AA people fighting the UAL people on the DELTA board, thank-you-very-much BUT the anti-union DL f/a's are a group of about 4-6 people, same ones as six years ago who until recently were in hiding. The reason they have come out of hiding is because DL threw a bone to the f/a group last week (one of them being the BOD seniority letter in the event of a merger, which is a "policy" and of course, Delta always reserves the right to change their policies. They also reinstated duty rigs because they HAD to...by Inflite's own admission in their comparison chart, DL f/a's fared the worst in this category when compared to other airlines). Secondly, I have done some research and found out that they are from a asite called Deltafa.org/4FreedomForce.com These were two seperate units six years ago but now appear to be run by one administrator. They have little to no credibility because :
A) DL AFA activists have invited them to sit down to a debate and they have refused because they like to stay in the closet with their identities unknown.
B) When they are challenged and found to be factually incorrect, they don't respond, even on their own message boards. They NEVER respond to the tough questions (such as one I posed: "did you ever imagine USAIRWAYS would try to takeover Delta?") and many make claims that are blatantly false regarding other airlines. For instance, one member on their boards claims that NWA was AFA which they decertified, then their own union, then AFA again. When, in fact, NWA f/a's were Teamsters before starting their own union, which they were unhappy with and then voted in AFA.
They really don't even understand how unions work or that collective bargaining is a process between mgt and the union. They think all pro-AFA people are naive enought to believe that overnight AFA is going to get us a pay raise, etc..They can't or don't want to understand the terms, "contract", legal and binding", "grievances/accountability and more.
Trust me, you get nowhere with them. They revel in their ability to bait-and-switch, avoid real topics and concentrate on half-truths and misinformation.
I certainly respect their right to disagree but I really don't understand why they won't debate openly ...after all, their views may be held by the majority of DL f/a's. So why hide?
Anyway, this is my last week here, at least on this subject......it's a total waste of time. (Their FreedomForce boards are even more- so because they have very few readers.) You'll see what I'm talking about.

 

[aislehopper]

BlacknBlue, don't waste your time with these people. Lord knows, I learned about that this week.

Then why are you coming back and repeating yourself? Shouldn’t you follow the advice that you are giving to B n’ B?

I'm not sure I understand the AA people fighting the UAL people on the DELTA board, thank-you-very-much BUT the anti-union DL f/a's are a group of about 4-6 people, same ones as six years ago who until recently were in hiding.

So, what is your source on this? I am anti afa, and I wasn’t there. Shouldn't your count be adjusted up by one? If up by one, how far up should it be? You don't really know. You are still working in your own reality.
You really should state that you are guessing when you are guessing. If you do not, it comes across as being dishonest.

The reason they have come out of hiding is because DL threw a bone to the f/a group last week (one of them being the BOD seniority letter in the event of a merger,

Did they tell you that this is the reason why they came out, or are you making this up as well? Where is your proof that this is the reason that they came out of hiding? Can you show us a document?

They also reinstated duty rigs because they HAD to...by Inflite's own admission in their comparison chart, DL f/a's fared the worst in this category when compared to other airlines).

Great! Why should we have a union when In-Flight is trying to catch us up with everyone else

Secondly, I have done some research and found out that they are from a asite called Deltafa.org/4FreedomForce.com

Research? Great. I like research. Please, do quote your research. Remember, at least in academia, research is punctuated by citations to independently verifiable sources to support the research. This prevents academic fraud and the pulling of facts out of one’s own . . . Please cite independently verifiable sources. This way we can be assured that you are not making up your facts to support what you believe. Remember, the key is independently verifiable.

DL AFA activists have invited them to sit down to a debate and they have refused because they like to stay in the closet with their identities unknown.

Why debate? The afa-CWA campaign is sputtering. It needs publicity. Let it wither on an unnoticed vine.

When they are challenged and found to be factually incorrect, they don't respond, even on their own message boards. They NEVER respond to the tough questions (such as one I posed: "did you ever imagine USAIRWAYS would try to takeover Delta?")

You think that is a tough question? It is a cream puff, and it is not relevant. Any one can try to take over anything. The real question is will it be successful?

Also, what is your posting name on deltafa.org talk? As of this morning, I did not see your post of that question. Are you making that up too?

Anyway, this is my last week here, at least on this subject......it's a total waste of time. (Their FreedomForce boards are even more- so because they have very few readers.) You'll see what I'm talking about.

If it is a waste of time, do you not have anything better to do that you come and participate in what you call a “total waste of time?†The fact that you are back indicates a certain level of dishonesty here as well. You call it a waste of time, yet your coming back indicates that you must think it worth your time.

Also, it is ironic that you come, make a few unsupported statements, and then move on. Isn’t that what you accuse the anti-afa crowd of doing? Aren’t you being a bit hypocritical?

 

[aislehopper]

Hey:

Can any of the Mods fix the formatting on this thread? It is hard to follow because it is too wide for a screen. I think that the problem started in one of Beauty's or Luke's last coiuple of posts.

 

[LukeAisleWalker]

[You think that is a tough question? It is a cream puff, and it is not relevant. Any one can try to take over anything. The real question is will it be successful?
Then why didn't you answer it several postings ago. Scroll up to your post..#20, YOU stated that in a prospective merger DL would be the acquirer. Scroll up to post #24, there, I asked YOU if you ever in a million years thought USAIRWAYS would try a hostile takeover of Delta? They had cash infusion from major financial institutions for the takeover, aislehopper or they wouldn't have made the move. I, like you, am glad they did not succeed. But I wouldn't call the idea "irrelevant." You don't get to pick and choose for the world what's relevant. It may not be relevant to YOU.

You aslked: Also, what is your posting name on deltafa.org talk? As of this morning, I did not see your post of that question. Are you making that up too?

Again, aislehopper...scroll up to post #24. I asked that question of YOU on THIS forum, NOT on deltafa.org.

You're really slipping in your older age...LOL......but you still do that bait-and-switch thing very well.
And don't whine about my still being here.....raising your hackles is too much fun...maybe I'll stick around for a while. I can't possibly take you seriously (what with all your double-speak and corporo-babble)...so what the heck?

 

[LukeAisleWalker]

Hey:

Can any of the Mods fix the formatting on this thread? It is hard to follow because it is too wide for a screen. I think that the problem started in one of Beauty's or Luke's last coiuple of posts.

😛 Of course, blame the pro-union posters!!!!! 😀