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..... one was chewing gum during the flight-union members doing what they do best!
Josh
OMG!!!
The end of civilization I tell you... The End!
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..... one was chewing gum during the flight-union members doing what they do best!
Josh
where is that written? Proof?(both of which will make DL employees on average the highest paid network carrier employees in the US),
Incorrect.
One doesn't have to look far to see the company's stated goal is "industry standard," not "industry leading."
completely agree...
(both of which will make DL employees on average the highest paid network carrier employees in the US)...
We could only wish that getting a handle on gum chewing would solve all the world's problems - debt problems, hunger, nuclear arms - all of it.OMG!!!
The end of civilization I tell you... The End!
where is that written? Proof?
of course it provides the opportunity to reduce wages - or more than likely stop adding pay raises.... given that none of us can predict even a month from now, let alone a year, and pay raises have been very quickly taken away in the industry in the past regardless of how they were given out, it would seem more prudent to focus on how to keep the salaries up. DL has stated that they plan to be profitable in 2012.Notice the indemnifying term "network." That conveniently leaves WN out, of course.
'Course, that also doesn't take into account DL's ability to reduce pay at any time, for any reason...
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I don't know all of the benefits items and don't really want to get into a discussion but let's look at a couple...
1. Have you and other PMNW people been told that your sick bank is being eliminated? DL previously grandfathered sick time banks when the current system was implemented.
2. You can quote whatever you old union contract provided for health insurance but you wouldn't have held onto that rate even if you had renegotiated the contract at NW.... health care costs continue to go up and companies are cutting.
Delta does do some level of pension match or pension contribution... I'm not sure what the level is and I woudn't rely on it but DL does provide some small level of retirement benefit.
I hear you on the extra half hour... but again look at the competition. The norm in the US work world is 8 1/2 hours... in other parts of the world the lunch "hour" is really longer.
DL does do double shifts and swaps so there obviously is some mechanism for not counting the 1/2 hour... not sure how it works but I'm not sure it's as big as an obstacle as it would sound here.
I don't know the ins and outs of LTD vs STD right now but as I have mentioned DL has provided one or the other at various times. I believe there is a buyup to higher level coverage on LTD. Did you have any LTD coverage at NW?
There are differences in how OJI is taxed and as I understand it, DL's OJI benefits are not taxed thus what you take home is higher than what it might appear.
You can receive cash for your personal leave time at DL.... could you do that at NW?
A look at other carriers and the contracts they have as a basis for comparison and then you might have some sense of what NW might have negotiated if it were still here... and then compare it to DL.
The point remains that DL gave you a pay raise and it wasn't negotiated.
Let's see how DL's pay and benefits compare with what UA/CO negotiate since they are in the middle of the process right now... and then you can factor in what happens at AA since those employees will undoubtedly lose a whole lot in both pay and benefits.
And once again remember all of those "guarantees" that all kinds of airline employees had on 9/12/01 and how quickly they were decimated.
Yet you write massive missives on all things financial that are germane to the company outlook.I'm glad you posted this, Kev,
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I don't know all of the benefits items and don't really want to get into a discussion...
All vacation time is paid out.
WT reminds me of finman on the old nw board.
how ironic that this board merged the DL and NW forums years ago.. and if I wanted to look for those posts I would find it under the Delta forum.WT reminds me of finman on the old nw board.