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Democrats.....what do they intend to change?

MrAeroMan -
First, let me say the topic title is "what" do they intend to change - not "how," which is why I answered with the CENTCOM presentation slide.

Second, there is a pretty good thread on the board titled, "Iraq - what do we do now?". If you go back through the topic, you'll see several posts with alternatives offered up mostly by Democrats and reflecting positions stated by Democratic candidates. Here's what I wrote...

I am one of those who doubted from the beginning that we had good reason to go into Iraq. I thought (and still think) that containment and inspections were working, and that there was no apparent connection to the Sept. 11 attacks. Having said that, we can NOT just walk out. President Bush's (and therefore, our) mistake going into Iraq will only be compounded if we just walk out.

Having said all of that, here's how I see it going forward. I don't believe there are any good options here, so we must choose the least bad option.

I believe we must choose sides in the current civil war in Iraq and help them defeat the other side. In our current referee role, we are backing a government that nobody there seems to really support. The Iraqi government is not collecting taxes, building infrastructure, delivering any services, or even providing the most basic protections of a credible fire or police service. Justice is currently being handed down by militias in most of the country - not any government system. So, in reality, there is no government. It's in name only. We need to pick a side that we can help WIN, even though it's not likely to be as democratic as we would like.

The only other option that would make sense is to partition the country - Kurdistan (US friendly), Sunni-stan (who knows?), Shi'a-stan (who knows?). Help them devise a way to share oil revenues and some critical natural resources and then leave them to their own devices - with a permanent US military base in Kurdistan, of course! (Sad, but probably necessary)

That's my two cents. I think we may see something pointing the administration in one of these directions in the next few months as a follow-up to whatever recommendation comes from the Baker commission. Seems like it could provide cover for Mr. Stay-the-Course to actually shift strategy and find a plausable way out.


Unfortunately, most of the posts by the Republicans on the board were variations on kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out or stay the course vs. cut and run. Anyone who thinks about it for even a few minutes can come up with more options than that. So the real question should be do the Republicans in Congress ever plan to demand a better plan from the White House than what we have right now?
 
Well up to this point no Demolib has put forth a plan with an alternative. With that being the case one can only deduce there is no alternative plan.
 
Did you not just read the post above? Are you blind?

Is there anyone here who has posted a Neo-Con/"Publican" plan or options that reach beyond "stay the course"?
 
I guess I should've been more precise. No Demolib in elected office has provided a plan on how to deal with Iraq or said what they would do. All they say is Bush's plan is a failure.
While your plan is just that, your plan, until you get elected and implement it it's just that, a plan. Good or bad (and it doesn't sound too bad to be honest) it's not coming from your party.
Here's a suggestion, submit your plan to Howard Dean and see if he can move it along.
 
I guess I should've been more precise. No Demolib in elected office has provided a plan on how to deal with Iraq or said what they would do. All they say is Bush's plan is a failure.
While your plan is just that, your plan, until you get elected and implement it it's just that, a plan. Good or bad (and it doesn't sound too bad to be honest) it's not coming from your party.
Here's a suggestion, submit your plan to Howard Dean and see if he can move it along.


Don’t you think since the republicans started the war they should be the first ones to come up with a plan? I mean that's only fair. Once you guys come up with one (you have had 3 years) I think we should be able to scrape one together.

I know, you have a plan and it is working out great in Iraq right? Another 18 months or so and the Iraqis will be ready to assume control over their own country and we can go home right? I guess this is a new plan from the one we went into Iraq with. You know, the one where they would be welcoming us like heroes. And then there was the plan after that that should have had us drawing down troops at the end of last year but I guess the hero welcome did not go exactly as planed so they had to adjust that plan. Now there is the plan that no one told the Iraqis about but hey, that's not a big deal. So ... um what was your plan again?
 
I guess this is a new plan from the one we went into Iraq with.
Actually, I think Bush's original plan had us in and out of Iraq by the summer of 2003. As I recall, part of the urgency for invading in March was to avoid the heat of the summer. That can only indicate that they didn't think we'd be there over the summer. Go in. Liberate them. Be welcomed with flowers. Go home by July. Amazingly stupid plan, but that's what I honestly think they thought we'd do.
 
Funny thing is that the current GOP is so partisan that no matter what the Dems come up with it will be voted down. There is a track record over the past several years to prove it. Once somebody can pull their head out and actually vote on issues rather than a hard party line, a plan can come to fruition. Where is the GOP plan? Dems need to get control of the legislature before any plan can move anywhere.
 
Funny thing is that the current GOP is so partisan that no matter what the Dems come up with it will be voted down. There is a track record over the past several years to prove it. Once somebody can pull their head out and actually vote on issues rather than a hard party line, a plan can come to fruition. Where is the GOP plan? Dems need to get control of the legislature before any plan can move anywhere.

The problem with your arguement is your party has not come forward with ANY plan. Not one. So what you're basically telling us is to trust you, it'll be better?
That's like calling a plumber out of the yellow pages and telling him you've got a water leak in a wall but you're not sure where. He then tells you over the phone he can fix it for $50.00 bucks and you say okay, go with it. Boy will you be surprised when you get the bill.
I don't trust your party ESPECIALLY with issues like this.
 
Forget about the plan...its all prep for the big dance at Meggidio.... 😉

Bush demands Iraq plan from Democrats

SPRINGFIELD, Missouri: US President George W Bush said yesterday that opposition Democrats hope to win November 7 elections by attacking his handling of the Iraq war without producing a plan for victory of their own.

"What's your plan?" he asked at a Republican rally here. "The truth is, the Democrats can't answer that question. Harsh criticism is not a plan for victory, second-guessing is not a strategy."
 
"What's your plan?" he asked at a Republican rally here. "The truth is, the Democrats can't answer that question. Harsh criticism is not a plan for victory, second-guessing is not a strategy."
The truth is, Bush didn't offer any insight into HIS plan, other than a reference to "staying the course". But so far - it's not working well. And instead of offering up a plan, Bush should be reminded that harsh criticism of not having a plan in also not a plan for victory - and dodging and weaving is not a strategy except in the boxing ring.
 
What will the Dems do about this?

Appeasement?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2436948,00.html

Nice!

Did you think that one up all by yourself?
Great use of the GOP talking points!

Let me give you some other fresh catch phrases that you can toss around liberally!

"Stay the Course!"
"Cut and Run!"
"Mission Accomplished!"
"The insurgents are in their last throes! (sp?)"
"Just a bunch of Saddam's dead enders!"
"We'll be greeted as liberators!"

Or you could try to offer some constructive answers and maybe even think for yourself! Mega-dittos!!!
 
The Democrats think of the elephant as bungling, stupid, pompous and conservative -- but the Republicans think it is dignified, strong and intelligent. On the other hand, the Republicans regard the donkey as stubborn, silly and ridiculous -- but the Democrats claim it is humble, homely, smart, courageous and loveable
 

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