Dl Fare War + Wn@pit + Existing Losses
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OldGuyinPA
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1st Amendmenting...
Just ask a Wendy's store manager or a area manager what they make. I'm wonder if it exceeds $42k/yr.
I think it might............
Just ask a Wendy's store manager or a area manager what they make. I'm wonder if it exceeds $42k/yr.
I think it might............
Why? Because U's leadership and strategic business plan has been so bad for so long that they were losing money even when the other airlines were making it hand over fist.
Attention: ALL airlines, with the few exceptions of those with a LCC model, have been losing money. In fact, as much as U has lost, pales in comparison to the total amount of cash that your vaunted DAL and other legacies have lost
Why? Because U is the only major airline to be in bankruptsy TWICE and be allowed to dishonor it's debts to creditors and dishonor it's legal contracts with it's employees.
Really, I kinda remeber CAL going thru Bankruptcy twice, guess you are not that bright to remember them. ,
Why? Because it has an irrational fleet and route structure.
Yeah, what legacy doesn't. But now we are down to a far more rational fleet, and in the years to come it will be even moreso. Your own Delta is a far greater hodgepodge of aircraft types
Why? Because it had more than 2 years since it knew it was in DIRE trouble and needed to make necessary changes . . . . and changed have still not been made.
Changes like what, getting concessions from Unions that had to be forced to do so...? Gee, I guess we should have "just asked" earlier and it would have been done already.
Why? Because it's executives have bleed the company with their bonuses and payoffs.
Again, Show me a legacy CEO that has not been compensated in the same manner, you really want to compare U's Executives to DAL's...? That is a dumb comparison
Why should Delta have to pay it's bills when U doesn't?
What DAL does is DAL's business, not ours, and visa versa...
You know what??? We ARE going to live, we are going to transform, and we are going to do so no matter how bad you wish we would fail.
GET USED TO IT
Do not go away mad, just go away...
Attention: ALL airlines, with the few exceptions of those with a LCC model, have been losing money. In fact, as much as U has lost, pales in comparison to the total amount of cash that your vaunted DAL and other legacies have lost
Why? Because U is the only major airline to be in bankruptsy TWICE and be allowed to dishonor it's debts to creditors and dishonor it's legal contracts with it's employees.
Really, I kinda remeber CAL going thru Bankruptcy twice, guess you are not that bright to remember them. ,
Why? Because it has an irrational fleet and route structure.
Yeah, what legacy doesn't. But now we are down to a far more rational fleet, and in the years to come it will be even moreso. Your own Delta is a far greater hodgepodge of aircraft types
Why? Because it had more than 2 years since it knew it was in DIRE trouble and needed to make necessary changes . . . . and changed have still not been made.
Changes like what, getting concessions from Unions that had to be forced to do so...? Gee, I guess we should have "just asked" earlier and it would have been done already.
Why? Because it's executives have bleed the company with their bonuses and payoffs.
Again, Show me a legacy CEO that has not been compensated in the same manner, you really want to compare U's Executives to DAL's...? That is a dumb comparison
Why should Delta have to pay it's bills when U doesn't?
What DAL does is DAL's business, not ours, and visa versa...
You know what??? We ARE going to live, we are going to transform, and we are going to do so no matter how bad you wish we would fail.
GET USED TO IT
Do not go away mad, just go away...
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Rico,
I'm not sure who you are yelling at but you are obviously the one who is mad. You seem more than a little fixated on DL too. Whether you like it or not, US is the airline in bankruptcy and struggling for its next breath, not DL. None of the airlines have developed a viable survival plan yet, let alone one that thrives. Keep the faith that US will turn itself around but you might be careful about making comparisons to other airlines since US doesn't fare real well in most side by side comparisons.
I'm not sure who you are yelling at but you are obviously the one who is mad. You seem more than a little fixated on DL too. Whether you like it or not, US is the airline in bankruptcy and struggling for its next breath, not DL. None of the airlines have developed a viable survival plan yet, let alone one that thrives. Keep the faith that US will turn itself around but you might be careful about making comparisons to other airlines since US doesn't fare real well in most side by side comparisons.
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I am cracking up at other airline employees coming on here spouting that US needs to die because its hurting their job. There is no unity among airline employees. It's dog-eat-dog and every man for himself. For some unknown reason this airline refuses to die. Why is that? The employees they don't give up so get used to it.
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Yes, Eye, nobody stands up for anyone else so you had better fight for your survival if you want to have a job. Problem is that there are an aweful lot of US employees who themselves apparently don't care if US lives or dies.
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OldGuyinPA said:
Then hop on over Old guy!! Go for it. I think you will be unpleasntly surprised, but you and others? GO FOR IT!!
World, I was responding to Winglet's silly post. And the topic of this thread relates to DAL. I wish DAL nothing but the best, but that does not mean I want to see my own company fail only to help DAL out.
My point stands, we are in the situation we expected to be in right now in terms of both competitive responses. IMO I am surprised it took the other legacies this long to start a fare war, and the continual SWA expansion to reach U's hubs.
What others's do is secondary to our plans, we must fix ourselves internally and become a strong competitor from within, not by merely reacting to others. That is what got us here in the first place.
Fact is, others are starting to react to U now, instead of the other way around, and that in itself is a rousing endorsement if there ever was one.
My point stands, we are in the situation we expected to be in right now in terms of both competitive responses. IMO I am surprised it took the other legacies this long to start a fare war, and the continual SWA expansion to reach U's hubs.
What others's do is secondary to our plans, we must fix ourselves internally and become a strong competitor from within, not by merely reacting to others. That is what got us here in the first place.
Fact is, others are starting to react to U now, instead of the other way around, and that in itself is a rousing endorsement if there ever was one.
Tell ya what enilria, since the U is still on the hook for something like $680 million, lets say they run through the cash and the ATSB doesn't get another cent back. You are one of 270 million or so Americans. The math works out to $2.51 per American. If they go under, I'll cut you a check for your share. Fair enough?
NO it's not fair enough. YOU FORGOT ABOUT YOUR PENSIONS, YOUR 2 BANKRUPTCY'S, YOUR ATSB LOAN GUARANTEE AND OF COURSE ALL RETIREES TAKING IT UP THE POOPER. U SUCKS AND IT'S HIGH TIME FOR IT TO DISAPPEAR WITHOUT THE HELP OF THE TAX PAYER PERIOD!!!!
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Rico said:
Who is reacting to U, and in what way?
Smelling blood in the water and going in for the kill (LUV, DL) is not the kind of reaction one wants to be in the position to provoke.
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Boeing787:
Too bad that the ATSB, GE, Bombardier, Embraer, Govco, Citirgoup, and now DVD bank do nto agree with yor opinion. It appears the financial community strongly supports US Airways and when the airlien emerges from bankrupgcy on June 30, the company will put a hurt on the other legacy airlines.
It is my understanding that following full Transformation Plan implementation, US Airways' CASM will be less than AirTran and Southwest, but higher than jetBlue. That is probably why exeuctive vice president of marketing Bruce Ashby told employees US Airways is undeterred by competition from Delta Air Lines or Southwest Airlines. Delta last week cut the cost of a range of last-minute fares to recapture the business-travel market, and Southwest announced it will begin offering service in Pittsburgh in May. US Airways is the dominant carrier in Pittsburgh.
"Delta's new pricing structure and Southwest's growth are not unexpected or unanticipated by this management team, and they will not be obstacles to our success," Mr. Ashby wrote.
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USA320Pilot
Too bad that the ATSB, GE, Bombardier, Embraer, Govco, Citirgoup, and now DVD bank do nto agree with yor opinion. It appears the financial community strongly supports US Airways and when the airlien emerges from bankrupgcy on June 30, the company will put a hurt on the other legacy airlines.
It is my understanding that following full Transformation Plan implementation, US Airways' CASM will be less than AirTran and Southwest, but higher than jetBlue. That is probably why exeuctive vice president of marketing Bruce Ashby told employees US Airways is undeterred by competition from Delta Air Lines or Southwest Airlines. Delta last week cut the cost of a range of last-minute fares to recapture the business-travel market, and Southwest announced it will begin offering service in Pittsburgh in May. US Airways is the dominant carrier in Pittsburgh.
"Delta's new pricing structure and Southwest's growth are not unexpected or unanticipated by this management team, and they will not be obstacles to our success," Mr. Ashby wrote.
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Regards,
USA320Pilot
If any of the legacy carriers were to aquire part of U if it were to fail and they told U employees that they would give them jobs and seniority maybe I would have voted no but that is not the case. When I joined U 17 years ago I put all my eggs in one basket. So that is where I am. We have been through hell over here. I am not going to sit by and let AA or any carrier for that matter put U out of business. We are doing what we have to do to survive and all of you will have this choice to make very soon. All you employees at AA and DL maybe when your time comes you can be the hero and throw yourself on the sword but me I chose to survive. This is a nasty business we all know that so everyone do what you have to and I'll see some of you at the finsh lineboeing787 said:
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If USAirways emerges from bankruptcy and has a cost structure that is competitive w/ the LCCs, they will almost certainly be acquired by another airline. US's network has been reduced to its core essentials yet it still has significant access to some of the most lucrative and restricted markets in the world. No one was willing to pay to acquire PIT but I will bet that at least a couple airlines could find US' PHL and CLT hubs as well as its DCA, LGA, and BOS operations quite attractive.
Given that US' cost cuts in the past have been accompanied by larger reductions in revenue and shrinkage of the network, history is not on US' side for the long haul. Nonetheless, Rico, you should fight for your company and for your job. There are far too few people in this country who care about anything bigger than themselves.
Given that US' cost cuts in the past have been accompanied by larger reductions in revenue and shrinkage of the network, history is not on US' side for the long haul. Nonetheless, Rico, you should fight for your company and for your job. There are far too few people in this country who care about anything bigger than themselves.
USA320Pilot said:
Its too bad that on other threads, what you call "strong support" has been proven to be hardly a ringing endorsement. Consider:
ATSB - supposedly backed by the borrowed cash + Assets... i.e. it was double secured... by $700mil in cash and $700mil in assets... Now it will be secured at a mutiplier of 1 to 1.5, instead of 2. Hardly a strong endorsement
GE, Bombardier, and Embraer all have aircraft which will otherwise end up idle. If they could successfully and quickly place those aircraft at other airlines, their "support" of US Airways would disappear.
Govco, CitiGroup... Have provided loans to US Airways at no risk to themselves. Should US Airways default, the banks get their cash from the ATSB, who presumably gets the cash by taking whatever is left, and selling the assets for the rest.
Again, these are hardly indications of "strong support"
