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Mechanics notwithstanding, I understand Northwest has had no trouble whatsoever recruiting replacement Flight Attendants (who, I might add, will meet all FAA requirements upon completing their training). I can’t help but wonder if the PFAA grasps the significance of this.

If not, let me put it in the clearest terms possible. If you don’t like the company or the way you claim it treats you, get out and take your surly attitudes with you. Because there are thousands, if not tens of thousands, of people out there who will happily take your place.
 
Stratocruiser said:
]If you don’t like the company or the way you claim it treats you, get out and take your surly attitudes with you. Because there are thousands, if not tens of thousands, of people out there who will happily take your place.[/i]
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Just curious what do you for a living? And yes they may have hired 1000 flight attendants but if PFAA were to strike they will never a hell of a lot more than 1000.
 
justanadd said:
Just curious what do you for a living? And yes they may have hired 1000 flight attendants but if PFAA were to strike they will never a hell of a lot more than 1000.
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What I do for a living is none of your business.

If the PFAA were to go on strike (completely, not "CHAOS"), how many F/As NWA could recruit would be irrelevant because either 1) Northwest would fire all of you since your contract doesn't allow sympathy strikes, or 2) NWA would file Chapter 7 (in which case you'd be out of a job anyways). Guess you'll have shown them (just how out of touch with reality you are).
 
Stratocruiser said:
What I do for a living is none of your business.

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Well, you just stuck your nose into their business, so I would say it's a fair question. Are you a flight attendant, or just another self proclaimed aviation expert here to fill our minds with more useless rhetoric?
 
What if the PFAA doesn't actually go out on strike? Then NWA is paying a lot of people to sit around and wait....
 
Stratocruiser said:
What I do for a living is none of your business.
[post="286291"][/post]​
Such attitude, sounds like maybe you are one of the hopeful replacements?! You are almost as arrogant as NWA Management. What did any of the NW employees ever do to you to wish honest and hard working men and woman with families such ill will? Why such a axe to grind?

Actually I asked the question because I wondered what you will do when your job is outsourced to India or another third world country.
 
If PFAA members strike and you are a trained replacement you should NOT cross their picket line. In 1986 a few TWA f/a who were trained did not cross. When all the striker were returned the new hires who stayed out with them were recalled. IFFA went to court to ensure all f/a's were recalled. Granted it did take 3yrs for all TWA f/a to be called back and it did include new hires who did not cross.

If you are a trained replacement please do not cross. You will wear the badge of being a Scab the rest of your career.
 
Kev3188 said:
Such a pathetic display of arrogance usually means Building A.
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Such a pathetic display of arrogance usually means someone that would take down an entire company and destroy 34,999 other people's jobs just to "show them."
 
Strato, I am sure you will be one of the FIRST ones to cross a picket line. Look at UA with their corporate greed, asking for concession while those in the Ivory tower keep their parachutes and pensions. Do you think they are entitled to that while us low life f/a's give our pensions over to the PBGC?

Perhaps you want us to retire at 35. Perhaps you don't want us to think our jobs as f/a's long term. Perhaps you think that we should be on duty for 16hrs with not 8hrs behind the door rest.

Here read the following article:

Heroes who pass out snacks

By Meghan Daum

To anyone who’s ever smirked, snapped, whined, yelled or (you know who you are) thrown things at a flight attendant, lets consider this: Last Tuesday, the cabin crew of Air France Flight 358 evacuated all 297 passengers after a crash landing in Toronto. They did this in less than two minutes. Moments later, the plane burst into flames.


I know what you’re thinking: “If they can get 300 people off in under two minutes, why does it take 45 minutes to board a plane?†As in all things air travel-related, the lame jokes abound. (“I tried to jump down the slide, but they stopped me because the seat-belt sign was on!â€)

But maybe seeing 10 flight attendants save about 300 lives in less time than it took to watch the safety demonstration will put an end to the jokes. It’s been a long time coming. Somehow passengers have been lulled into thinking that flight attendants are there primarily to serve as waiters and arbiters of luggage space. But accidents have a way of reducing inconveniences like pillow shortages and paltry snacks to shamefully petty concerns.

Several years ago, while researching a magazine article about the “secret world of flight attendants,†I spent a week at the flight attendant training school of a major airline. Granted, this was three years before 9/11, back when the combination of dreary mundanity and diminishing leg room had left people with about as much respect for air travel as they had for pre-owned Yugos. “Air rage†was the coinage of the day, and incidents of violence against airline personnel had risen dramatically.

I visited the school because I was a smug young journalist working for a smug glossy magazine and I was hoping for some salacious details about a profession that had fascinated the public since the early days of commercial flight. Since airline industry deregulation in 1978, the archetypal sex-kitten stewardess make famous by books such as the 1960’s-era “Coffee, Tea, or Me†had devolved into a haggard assortment of short-tempered corporate drones. The heyday of air travel, when flight attendants were required to be female, slim, unmarried and possessed of the uncanny ability to cook eggs to order during turbulence, was long gone.

But my assignment was doomed. The courses I observed had less to do with applying makeup and charming businessmen than with something far less sensational: safety.

The drills went on and on and on. We practiced verbal instructions until we could recite them like Beatles lyrics. We rehearsed procedures until every exit door and window, every inflatable slide and alarm bell felt as familiar as the dashboard controls on a car we’d owned for a decade.

I can still remember the sensation of opening the hatch of the exit window in the cabin simulator. I can still hear the siren and and the exact wording of the evacuation commands for the slides. “Keep your feet together, jump into the slide.†The students yelled until they were hoarse. I watched as they learned how to inflate rafts. I ran around the simulator with them as they enacted crash after crash, knowing full well that no matter how intensive the training, nothing but focus and sheer guts would see them through the real thing.

Among the other things I learned about flight attendants was that their starting salaries could be as low as $15,000 a year. They regularly have to work 14-hour days but are often paid for only eight hours. Most have to buy their own uniforms for hundreds of dollars. That means they often have only one, which they have to wash out in hotel sinks.

Air France rightfully praised the crew of Light 358 for its professionalism. But it’s the flying public that needs to recognize such contributions. Airline deregulation, which slashed prices along with amenities, legroom, and salaries, caused many of us to forget our manners. Then Sept 11 introduced a narrative that suggested the fates of airliners in the hands of passengers, whether terrorists or heroes.

But, as we learned on Tuesday, accidents still occur and we still rely on those who are trained to protect us from potentially tragic outcomes. On airplanes, it so happens that these are the same people who pass out the inedible food and tell us when our bags won’t fit overhead. But we’ve seen they can do a lot more than that. Let’s be polite.
 
luv2fly said:
Well, you just stuck your nose into their business, so I would say it's a fair question. Are you a flight attendant, or just another self proclaimed aviation expert here to fill our minds with more useless rhetoric?
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I am a flight attendant for Northwest. Our union and our members are not talking about going on strike at all, at least due to our contract negotiations. We are not even close to that. As far as a sympathy strike I believe we are not allowed to do that dealing with the mechanics. Our union has not come out and said if we can or if we are, or it we are not allowed to do a sympathy strike. On my last trip a pilot told me that ALPA will not come out with a ruling dealing with the pilots doing a sympathy strike unitl the mechanics actually strike or are locked out.
The last time the company hired replacement flight attendants they were actually brought online and were given full time positions. Some of the replacement flight attendants do not even know what they are putting themselves in. We had one on our flight going to training. She was so happy that she was going to be one of us. Once we told her that she was being trained to replace us, and she would have to cross a picket line she turned white. She had no idea. I am wondering if NWA is not being fully honest with these replacement flight attendants? Do they really know what they are in for? They are being trained at night in building F so they are not interacting with current FA instructors and FA's going through with annual recurrent training. NWA hates paying money to people who are just sitting around doing nothing. We are expecting a lot of retirees this year do to various factors. Most likely these replacement flight attendants will be offered a full time position.
What is not right is that as an FA we are required to help train and answer questions to these replacement flight attendants when they are doing their training flights. That is against our contract and railway labor act. The judged threw out our lawsuit not based on the case, but based on the forum that was being used.
The company is going to decare bankruptcy. It does not matter if the Mechanics go on strike or not. Why would a company spends millions of dollors they dont have to train and hire people if they are hurting for money? NWA is burning money just to make it easier to declare BK before the laws change in october.
There are many reasons why labor has such a poor attitude towards the company. Labor does not understand why we are being asked to take paycuts while management colloects bonuses. They say they need bonuses to keep good management. We dont have good management. In 3 years we went from losing the least amounth of money to on the verge of BK while American and Continental made a second quarter profit. We should fire the managers who did not hedge fuel, because if we did, we would have made a nice profit. The company owes labor stock, but they say they cant afford it. A judge ruled in our favor and are will most likely not see it if NWA does a BK. If the company would honor their agreements I believe labor would be more willing to take a paycut with something comming to us down the road. If a company cant honor their promises then why would we be willing to sacrifice our pay? Why would PFAA be willing to take a paycut? If we accepted a paycut, then the company delcared BK, we would be forced to take another paycut. If we hold out most likely we will take a lesser paycut.
I try to look at the big picture and draw from my own conclusions. I praise the company when they do good things, which they do at times. I trash the company when they do terrible e things, which they do most. Just remember, if the FA are out of a job, and they use replacement flight attendants, eventually all of their pro company attitudes will turn sour. Northwest has always had bad relations with labor. Always.
 
Stratocruiser said:
Mechanics notwithstanding, I understand Northwest has had no trouble whatsoever recruiting replacement Flight Attendants (who, I might add, will meet all FAA requirements upon completing their training). I can’t help but wonder if the PFAA grasps the significance of this.

If not, let me put it in the clearest terms possible. If you don’t like the company or the way you claim it treats you, get out and take your surly attitudes with you. Because there are thousands, if not tens of thousands, of people out there who will happily take your place.
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Why should we leave? People who have been working for years and you are asking them to leave becuase of the way the company treats us? Its the company's fault. NWA and labor has always had bad relations. WHen they hire new people their attitudes will change to hating the company as well. I am leaving. In a few years I will be gone. Management could be better to us and most likely our attitudes would be more positive. The replacement flight attendants they are hiring can not replace 10k FA's. if we all left or went on strike tomorrow, the company would shut down and be liquidated. If that happened, YOU would not be paid $500 a month to sit around. I dont know if you are a replacement flight attendant, but with your attitude I thinking you might. Either that or management. If you are hired on as a full time employee, which most likely you will, you are going to get so much hostility from the current flight attendants, knowing you came on as a scab, if you are a replacement flight attendant. You sound very angry. more angry than labor. Why is that?
 
Stratocruiser said:
Such a pathetic display of arrogance usually means someone that would take down an entire company and destroy 34,999 other people's jobs just to "show them."
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I think Wilson, Chechi, and Steenland and more are the pathetic ones, after all rather than hold onto their stock and show some faith in the company they wasted no time selling. They are the ones who will have destroyed this company and jobs!

But then if you are drinking the kool aid, with all the replacements they are hiring you should have nothing to worry about your job - for now untill they replace your job! You really are no better as you don't care what happens to fellow employees as long as your position is secure.
 
Stratocruiser said:
Such a pathetic display of arrogance usually means someone that would take down an entire company and destroy 34,999 other people's jobs just to "show them."
[post="286383"][/post]​
More like a despicable display of stupidity and corporate greed that NWA management will spend hundreds of millions (money they don't have to waste) to train scabs instead of treating the very people who helped build NWA with some respect. If anyone is to blame for finally destroying NWA, its Steenland and his band of arrogant idiots.

If you come here to stir the #### as a management lackey or a scab, i'll give you some free advice. If you plan on being a scab... remember, its for life....forever, and you'll never escape it at any airline you work at. Its a small airline world, with a long memory. If your a NWA management stooge....your imprudent plan to rape and pillage the hard working Mechanics and Flight Attendants will fail. If you wanted another Eastern...you shall have one. Remember, you wanted this.
 
YOU WROTE :
Such a pathetic display of arrogance usually means someone that would take down an entire company and destroy 34,999 other people's jobs just to "show them."


"If not, let me put it in the clearest terms possible. If you don’t like the company or the way you claim it treats you, get out and take your surly attitudes with you. Because there are thousands, if not tens of thousands, of people out there who will happily take your place. "


Gee stratoblahblah,

For someone like you, who realizes that we hold your freaking future in our hands, you are the arrogant bastard ! It is the gready SOB's at the helm who should be sacrificing for their misguided decisions of the company.

For if the Flight Attendants were all to go out on strike. It would bring the playhouse down ! If you left. No one would even know it !
So frankly, I do not give a flying walenda what you do.( or think ) You are absolutely useless. ( OH, BTW, you must be out of the loop for a while... NWA has had more than 34,999 employees for over 15 years) So crawl back under your rock..
Cheers,
WT
 

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