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Does US AIRWAYS associate 'low morale' with 'low productivity'?

Do the actions/inactions of the company show that it is adequately addressing employee morale

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  • Yes, they care about me

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To paraphrase the CEO they will not raise pay unless attrition reaches unmanageable levels.

Real world: they pay just enough to keep us from quitting and most, in turn, do just enough to keep from being fired.
 
i can assure you that this is patently false! mental illness, specifically depression, cost us companies billions of dollars a year. it seems trite to quantify mental illness into a dollar amount...but, alas, $$ is the language of business.

consider some of the symptoms of generalized depression and how they would translate into work performance: loss of interest in things that were once important; insomnia/hypersomnia; irritability; reclusiveness...

i don't doubt that you encountered that study somewhere; i doubt the authors of it.

Oh, I understand. I kind of laughed when I saw that study and how I thought it was probably done with some bad science, thinking maybe that the managers in RES had commissioned it.
 
regards,

Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

WTF...

What's the difference between No and No Ways and yes and blah blah blah? You have low morale because you probably never had to work for a living. I don't think your union can grasp the concept of 'productivity' because 'down-time' is non-productivity. NWA had plenty of down-time. Now your outsourced union members get paid less and service multi-airlines meaning more work for less money.

I'm all union and union forever, but I am not a sheep, pawn, or lemming. Haven't we learned from Eastern? Management has.

The unfortunate Bottom Line is*Warning Reality Check*
that if there is low moral and productivity and I PAY a union, let the union or an arbitrator solve the issue.

Management works for the company and the union works for the members. About time they start SERVING their constituents instead of handing out pitchforks and torches to go after the Frankenstein monster. Don't rile up the masses to go blindly over a cliff or be an expendible pawn. Do your job and protect all of your members and their jobs.
 
You have no clue, downtime, gimme a break.

And EA's demise was all Lorenzno, why was he banned from the airline industry?

Go educate yourself.
 
WTF...

What's the difference between No and No Ways and yes and blah blah blah? You have low morale because you probably never had to work for a living. I don't think your union can grasp the concept of 'productivity' because 'down-time' is non-productivity. NWA had plenty of down-time. Now your outsourced union members get paid less and service multi-airlines meaning more work for less money.

I'm all union and union forever, but I am not a sheep, pawn, or lemming. Haven't we learned from Eastern? Management has.

The unfortunate Bottom Line is*Warning Reality Check*
that if there is low moral and productivity and I PAY a union, let the union or an arbitrator solve the issue.

Management works for the company and the union works for the members. About time they start SERVING their constituents instead of handing out pitchforks and torches to go after the Frankenstein monster. Don't rile up the masses to go blindly over a cliff or be an expendible pawn. Do your job and protect all of your members and their jobs.
If Charlie Bryan didn't shut down Eastern, this industry would have had a huge wage collapse, starting in the 90's. He removed a cancer in Eastern airlines and preserved the industry for the masses so that many Eastern workers who lost their jobs at Eastern went over to other airlines. There was no way out for Charlie to do anything else. Read the book, 'grounded' and you will see the ineptness of Borman, and Lorenzo and all their inept management getting 757's at high interest rates that drove the company into bankruptcy. What was the alternative to bad management in Eastern? Roll over and play dead and let the masses pay for all the bad decisions? That would have set a powerful paradigm for all the airline execs to follow.

At any rate, it's never the masses fault, it's managements. Management is in charge of running the show and taking care of its resources. Just because they have 45 human resource managers running around doesn't mean they know how to take care of their most important resource....the masses. Disrespect human beings in any phase of life, wife, son, husband, worker, friend....see what the reward is. That's how we are built. The difference between good management and bad management is pretty simple as far as human resources management goes.

1. Bad Management- has its head up its arse looking at laptop numbers and graphs that measure objectivity. These managers are only concerned with themself and getting that next bonus. Their fruit is usually some new training class, or some new program. They circulate it in their email network and get it approved and get their bonus.

2. Good Management- gets its head out of the laptops and enters the real world. Listens to the masses and understands the concept of work and productivity can't possibly be separated from dignity and respect.

regards,

Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
 
In 1983, Eastern became the launch customer of Boeing's new aircraft, the Boeing 757, which was ordered in 1978. Borman felt that its low cost of operation would make it an invaluable asset to the airline in the years to come. However, higher oil prices failed to materialize and the debt created by this purchase coupled with the Airbus A300 purchases made in 1977 proved to be a millstone around Eastern's neck, contributing to the February 1986 sale to Frank Lorenzo's Texas Air. At that time, Eastern was paying over $700,000 in interest each day before they sold a ticket and fueled or boarded a single aircraft. Borman claimed these purchases constituted "fleet modernization" rather than expansion, but Eastern's system growth during his tenure belies this assertion.

Unable to keep up, Borman agreed to the sale of the airline in 1986 to Texas Air, led by Frank Lorenzo. Lorenzo (who was named as one of Time Magazine's 10 "worst bosses of the century") was known as a ruthless corporate raider and union buster. He had already purchased Continental and lost a bidding war for TWA to Carl Icahn.

Although Eastern's employees saw Lorenzo at the time as a savior, he would prove to be anything but a hero to the employees by the end of the decade. This event is widely seen as the beginning of the unwinding of the company, and the beginning of a steep decline into a period that saw strikes, empty planes, mass layoffs, bankruptcy, and eventually a ceasing of operations.

Labor relations: strikes and canceled service
Under Lorenzo's tenure, Eastern was crippled by severe labor unrest. Asked to accept deep cuts in pay and benefits, Eastern's mechanics and ramp service employees, represented by the IAM (International Assn. of Machinists and Aerospace Workers), walked out on March 4, 1989. A sympathy strike called by the pilots represented by ALPA (Air Line Pilots Assn.) and flight attendants represented by TWU (Transport Workers Union) effectively shut down the airline's domestic operations. Non-contract employees, including airport gate and ticket counter agents and reservation sales agents, did not honor the strike. Due to the strike, flights were canceled, resulting in the loss of millions of dollars in revenue.

As a result of the strike, weakened airline structure, inability to compete after deregulation and other financial problems, Eastern filed for bankruptcy protection on March 9, 1989. This gave Lorenzo breathing room, and allowed him to continue operating the airline with strikebreakers. When control of the airline was taken away from Lorenzo by the courts and given to Marty Shugrue, it continued operations in an attempt to correct its cash flow, but to no avail. With the airline collapsing from debt, it ran out of money to operate on January 18th, 1991 following the run-up to the Gulf War. Over 18,000 employees lost their jobs and pensions in one day, not including the thousands laid off or furloughed prior to the collapse.

An asset liquidation sale was commenced later that year and provided Eastern's creditors with a remarkably good payout.
 
Eastern employees did airline employees a favor when they took Lorenzo down. The good wages enjoyed afterwards was in large part due to killing the Lorenzo virus.

US employees needed to do the same thing and take down the resurrected virus in the shape of Siegel/Glass/Lakefield, etc.

They did not, and the virus spread throughout the industry.

5 short years ago, airline jobs were good jobs to have. Now people are telling their kids to avoid even commercial pilot slots.

You must expect modern CEO's to be scum (there are a few exceptions, and give thanks to your God if you work for one). The difference is how you respond to them. Glass played US labor like a fine instrument, particularly the hairy-chested Alpha males at ALPA and IAM.
 
Sigh. How many times do we have to sing this worn out song?

US was a company in BANKRUPTCY. They used it, like no one ever used it before. They used 9/11. They took bankruptcy and made it their moral bankruptcy. I don't know what their karma is but I sure am glad it's not mine.

US f/as, particularly PIT, shot, destroyed, mutilated and decimated every concessionary contract that came out until BANKRUPTCY.

US fa's owe them a great deal, but even they could not fight against the lights going out. Do you not remember how tenuous it all was?

The pilots folded, of course they always did, but so did the mechanics and everybody else. Why? Because there wasn't a choice.

Now we have a group of amoral accountants who are riding it for all it's worth because we didn't build any "if thens" into our contracts. We also allowed them to jam too long of contracts down our throats. Our bad.

I'd like to say that they will never be able to do it again, but it doesn't matter now. It's done. The only thing you can do is take them to the wall when the contracts come up for renewal, because I guarantee, we'll have these abysmal pay rates until the nightmare accountants face a strike, do the numbers and figure out it's too expensive and will cost them their treasured bonuses.

Gerry Glass had no success until terrorists ran three airplanes into the ground. Do not credit that man with anymore than the ability to exploit evil.
 
Beware the Law of Unintended Consequences..

There's an entire book about that EXACT topic....."Economic Facts And Fallacies," Thomas Sowell. The book CLEARLY deomonstrates Piney Bob is 110%, unequivocally, certainly right....

Thomas Sowell actually referred to is as "Unintended Collateral Damage."

And by the time you're done reading the book, if you aren't a libertarian...did you even read the book???
 
There is allot more to life than allowing your job to bring you down.

Now, I have come to realize that this is just a place to show up for a paycheck and health coverage. Don't get me wrong, I still my work, and I have never been in trouble for work performance. But the days of going the extra mile are long gone. It would be to even go an extra inch nowadays.

I couldn't agree more! I believe most of us seasoned employees feel the same way. Why should we go the extra mile after all "this is not a career job", so don't act like it's one.

Bottom line...You get what you pay for!
 
So admitedly you and 90% of your co-workers give less that 100%, and are working at your perceived pay level.

I still wonder why you just don't quit if you are so miserable? Why don't you find a job that pays more, and that you could be content, and possibly give your all?

While in the military, we had a guest enlisted speaker that was a Chief Master Seargent (E-9) that obviously been in the service for a long time. One youngster asked the Chief why he didn't retire and open up a promotion spot for someone else. The Chief replied that he would get back to that question a little latter. The impatient youngster repeated his question to the Chief and added that he sould retire now, collect 50% of his pay and do nothing. The Chief answered the youngster, You are quite correct, I could retire today, collect 50% of my base pay for the rest of my life and do absolutely nothing. But on the other hand, I can stay on active duty for another 5 or 6 years, collect my full pay and allowances, build on my future retired pay and still do nothing so why should I retire? The youngster sat down and shut up.

We were once told by a maintenance director that the company had no obligation to make sure we had high morale. Personally, I feel I am responsible for my own level of morale. Somedays are good, others are better. Could I be happier if the job paid more? Could I be happier if the company treated its employees better? Possibly!! Would I be content? Who knows? Would I give my all? I already do that everyday that is why I know the public flies on a safe well maintained aircraft.
 
I agree with Aluminum;

It is not really a bad job. Americans are just always working towards the American dream of making 70K a year, enjoyable job, cars, big houses, etc.

Other countries, such as Spain, do not have the luxury to get a job we enjoy nor get paid good - we do not even get our own place before the age 30.

:up: So be positive - We live in America. 😛 Do not let Tempe get you down.
 


We were once told by a maintenance director that the company had no obligation to make sure we had high morale. Personally, I feel I am responsible for my own level of morale. Somedays are good, others are better. Could I be happier if the job paid more? Could I be happier if the company treated its employees better? Possibly!! Would I be content? Who knows? Would I give my all? I already do that everyday that is why I know the public flies on a safe well maintained aircraft.

You have said that well!

It is the same outside the Airline Industry!

It is not the companies responsibility to make you happy! Only you can do that!
 
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