Early out for M & R Sept. 4-Sept 25

[amt66]

Previous bumps by Line MX AMTs into both TULE and AFW required the AMT from the Line to report to the Overhaul Base requested and perforn their testing, under their supervision, before reporting.

Why would the reverse be different?

As far as I know before you can go to a line station you have to test. No test no bump its always been like this and I wouldn't think it would be any different this time. I also heard the A25 test was recently changed to make it harder but then again this is just rumors who knows.

 

[dfw gen]

Hey you voted for it tulsa! Now you want to read the fine print? Pathetic simply pathetic.

 

[Hopeful]

As far as I know before you can go to a line station you have to test. No test no bump its always been like this and I wouldn't think it would be any different this time. I also heard the A25 test was recently changed to make it harder but then again this is just rumors who knows.

IIRC, when the last big lay off occurred, we had many people from TUL bump to JFK and they the A25 test was waived just for them.

 

[Hopeful]

RIF due to restructuring December 2012 and February 2013. RIF due to workload adjustments May and September 2013.

Posible situation AMT A with 20 years seniority goes in first round (Dec/12) and have the option of going to DFW later AMT B with 24 years seniority goes in the fourth round (Sep/13) and will like to go to DFW but that is not an option at that time he will have to go to LAX. Do this can be avoided so seniority is really honored? Or TWU is going to said though luck brother? Is not better to do all the RIF at once and defer the report date so seniority is really honored?

Will like to know opinions on how to do this fairly.

Or maybe the virual RIF goes something like this...

Mechanic XYZ gets his layoff notice and fills out his "wish" list.
His choices are, say, 1)DFW, 2)MIA. 3)ORD....
He and all the other mechancis getting laid off the first round fill out their wish lists as well.
All the requests get sorted out in seniority order.
Mechanic XYZ gets a notice saying he cannot hold DFW, the 2nd round of requests go back into the sorter and he wants MIA as his 2nd choice..
He is finally informed that he cannot hold DFW or MIA and will wind up in ORD and that is where he/she WILL be going.
All this was done without ever having made a move to DFW and/or MIA in the first place.

Even the new contract language states that layoffs will be done based on occupational seniority.
As long as it is done respecting seniority, maybe it is not a bad thing after all.

Look at it this way....If mechanic XYZ got laid off and bumps to DFW, maybe he/she looks for a place to live..Signs a lease, puts $$$ down as per the terms of the lease and three weeks later gets bumped out of DFW......Same thing happens if he bumps again to MIA....Better to make the move once rather than several times.

Then again, who knows.

 

[amt66]

IIRC, when the last big lay off occurred, we had many people from TUL bump to JFK and they the A25 test was waived just for them.

Probably true however that was pre 9/11 when all you had to do was show up get an ID and get to work. Now you sit in training about 3 weeks while your paperwork clears. If I was bumping into a line station I would prefer to pre test and not run the risk of having the training dept at the line station protect their own guys don't you think?

 

[Hopeful]

Probably true however that was pre 9/11 when all you had to do was show up get an ID and get to work. Now you sit in training about 3 weeks while your paperwork clears. If I was bumping into a line station I would prefer to pre test and not run the risk of having the training dept at the line station protect their own guys don't you think?

Sure. But that works both ways. Do you think line guys would be warmly welcomed into specialty areas that require testing in TULE? Don't you think those guys would be tested "differently" to protect their own?

Don;t you think?

 

[amt66]

Yes and that's exactly what happened back in the 90's with afw! Guys bump in there and traing failed them to protect their own . So guess what what goes around comes around! Not fair but it's reality

 

[AA89]

Testing has always been dependent on who gives the test. The right tester could fail a guy with years of experience even in his own area. Most of us have worked several areas in our careers at AA and we learned most of what we know while on the job, not before a test.
I have heard of guys at AFW that were attempting to get pre-qualified for the line and that the testers were now failing guys for little things. If this is true it isn't right and is an attempt by the company to keep their experience and let high senior guys hit the street. They asked for this, not us. Hopefully the union will fight this.
Anybody at AFW and TULSA had this experience?

 

[Hopeful]

Testing has always been dependent on who gives the test. The right tester could fail a guy with years of experience even in his own area. Most of us have worked several areas in our careers at AA and we learned most of what we know while on the job, not before a test.
I have heard of guys at AFW that were attempting to get pre-qualified for the line and that the testers were now failing guys for little things. If this is true it isn't right and is an attempt by the company to keep their experience and let high senior guys hit the street. They asked for this, not us. Hopefully the union will fight this.
Anybody at AFW and TULSA had this experience?

Doesn't one get pre qualified at one's own station? To prevent shenanigans?

 

[amt66]

Doesn't one get pre qualified at one's own station? To prevent shenanigans?

I would think so but that hasn't always been the case. When I took my test at the line station there were 9 of us and the test took 5 hours and one guy failed. So it is possible to fail the test .

I would think your better off pre testing at your station rather than the station your bumping to. Thats my advice

 

[Hopeful]

I would think your better off pre testing at your station rather than the station your bumping to. Thats my advice

That's what I meant.
But say a line guy wanted to bump a OH specialty shop..He has no choice but to test at the OH shop he wishes to bump into.

All of a sudden it doesn't seem fair, does it?

 

[jacfrost]

Testing has always been dependent on who gives the test. The right tester could fail a guy with years of experience even in his own area. Most of us have worked several areas in our careers at AA and we learned most of what we know while on the job, not before a test.
I have heard of guys at AFW that were attempting to get pre-qualified for the line and that the testers were now failing guys for little things. If this is true it isn't right and is an attempt by the company to keep their experience and let high senior guys hit the street. They asked for this, not us. Hopefully the union will fight this.
Anybody at AFW and TULSA had this experience?

I work at AFW and yes the tester H. Calderon has failed numerous people in the last 2 months that were trying to pre-qualify for the line. When we found out about AFW closing he had a sign up list on his cubical for the A25 test which had about 35 people on it to test. When people started failing of course everyone took their name off and is waiting to see if the company waives the test as it says thay can do in the GPM during a reduction in force. I personally know of 3 people that have failed and these are good mechanics and two had worked the line before. Also the people he has passed a CC and a TCC he tested each for 5 hours.

 

[AA89]

When I left Tulsa for the line I studied and tested in Tulsa. When I left the line for AFW I studied and tested at AFW. So it depends on the direction you are headed. Or maybe it has changed alltogether.
Yes it would be wise to pre-qualify at your station if possible but aas I heard, the failure rate shot up at AFW for guys trying to pre-qualify for the line.

 

[iluvaa]

That's what I meant.
But say a line guy wanted to bump a OH specialty shop..He has no choice but to test at the OH shop he wishes to bump into.

All of a sudden it doesn't seem fair, does it?

No one will be bumping into a shop so dont worry about that you will be on the hangar floor

 

[Hopeful]

No one will be bumping into a shop so dont worry about that you will be on the hangar floor

Unless they are an OSM!