East Coast Wages

[frenchwrench]

Just out of couriosity,does Q&A stand for Quebec/Alberta?????????
given the recent buyouts,etc..

 

[graunch1]

Re Wild Bill, Last I heard of him was when he was working for Shirley Helicopters out of YXD but that was 20 years ago...Can't say I miss him <_<

 

[jetbox]

You guys all have valid points about lack of decent wages to attract and keep good employees (AME's and pilots) but are we not missing the real issue?
As part owner of a fairly new (less than 5 yrs) fling wing company, I can assure you that the reason we don't pay our guys a higher salary isn't because we're cheap or simply don't want to. Our emplyees are our most important asset and they are worth a lot more than what they get paid. However, it's hard to fork out big dollars on salaries when the rates we're getting for our A/C are not the greatest. It's pretty hard to make ends meet after you pay your insurance, hangar costs, parts etc.
I think the salaries will automatically increase once operators stop under cutting each other. We can #### for more money all we want but until the operators get a decent hourly rate, it's just not gonna happen!!!!!

 

[MagSeal]

ok, be honest now,

as a part owner, are you bending to the pressure and dumping your aircraft below a reasonable tariff to keep it working, or are you holding out, and as a result, the aircraft doesn't fly until you get full tariff?

And just out of curiosity, what kind of vehicle are your driving?

 

[Elvis]

"I think the salaries will automatically increase once operators stop under cutting each other. We can #### for more money all we want but until the operators get a decent hourly rate, it's just not gonna happen!!!!! "


What kind of a dream world as You living in.



:elvis: :elvis: :elvis:

 

[skullcap]

da chicken or da cart, no the horse before da egg, no, no, no the egg under da donkey. yeah, that's the ticket.

The only thing automatic here is them dam photo radar cameras and my friggin phone goin at supper time.

😛 😀

 

[jetbox]

Magseal, I don't deal with tarifs all that much since I'm in charge of the maintenance but I can tell you we've lost many contracts because we weren't willing to drop our rates below a certain point. It's pretty tempting to give the iron out at rock bottom price just to get the work but at the end of the day, you haven't made any money anyways!
We're all guilty of letting the A/C go to work at below normal tarif at one point or another and it will probably keep on happening until hell freezes over or the government decides to regulate the hourly tariffs.
By the way, I drive a six year old half ton and if it wasn't for my wife bringing in a decent wage, I'd be driving a friggin Chevette!!!!

 

[frenchwrench]

I truely don't know how they do it,The boss lo balled a bid for a B2,and somehow submitted a bit on a straight B Astar.Anouther company came in $300 an hour less for the B2.

 

[MagSeal]

Jetbox, thanks for the honest reply.

I was only poking a bit to see if you were one of the many guys out there that cries that there is no money for anyone, but you see their nice shiney new truck outside the hanger. It happens everywhere. I personally know of a guy who not only has a new truck every two years, but also flaunts his Harley, his motor home as 'company vehicles'

Wonder if the employees get to use them? They sure don't get enough raises or bonus' to afford those toys themselves.

 

[graunch1]

Like the owner on the wet coast who used to bring his Rolls to the ATAC conference or the one who told employees one day at lunch that he was tired of going to Hawaii all the time, or the one who couldn't afford to pay bills in YYC but had a nice yacht sitting in Fort Lauderdale or the AMO owner who spent $$$Millions watching his kid prove that he couldn't drive race cars <_<

Unfortunately too many owners of companies - both operators and AMOs use the company to skim off the profit into their own pocket by buying these Harleys, Rolls, race cars etc then wonder why their employees take a hike when a better paying job appears.

I've done it a couple times from these type of swine with no regrets other than I shoulda' left sooner.

 

[jetbox]

I'll tell you what, I'd sure like to know where all that money came from for those owners to buy Rolls Royces and Yatchs Graunch!!!!!
I'm also curious to see how much money those owners put back in the company on improvements and infrastructure.
I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't see new paint jobs very often and decent company vehicles and nice radio packages in the A/C etc.
Those things all cost a bundle and don't necessarily bring in any more revenue but they sure go a long way to boost employee morale and we all know how much more productive happy employees are!!!!!!
As far as I'm concerned, a little bit of dough spent on infrastructure go a lot farther than you might think. At least it does if you have the right kind of employees.

 

[frenchwrench]

the only guys that do that is Highland and Alpine from what is saw.BUT I have yet to see a company put any money into the engineers though,For all the bad things about NMh,The guys there got training,and every document that came out that you were endorsed on,you got a copy from Simon.Where else does an 800 hr pilot get to be a base manager,or have endorsements on at least 3-4 ships<or get 5 minutes notice that you need to ferry the 500 to South America,only to be sent back again once you get there..and a mountain course..

 

[jetbox]

Sounds lilke a pretty f*#%ed up organization!!!!! 😀 😀

 

[mrwhirlwind]

and therefore they went into recievership several time and are now the boat anchor for VIH. Alpine seems to do it right and Highland is a mom and pop organization that has it's ups and downs too! I wonder what CHL is like?

 

[Louie]

your a riot bud... 😀