F/a Work Rule Changes

[wrx]

Sorry, I'm still flying. I'm not pfurloughed. How can I have been pfurloughed with 14 years of seniority? AA only pfurloughed back to April 2000. 14 years would make it 1990. AA didn't pfurlough back 14 years, sorry.

 

[Fly]

Don't be ashamed about being on pfurlough. It's not like you were pfired.

Regards,
ah

Why would you assume he's on furlough? I know who he is, and he ISN'T on furlough.

As for being happy about Delta's new work rules: What will happen when the company DEMANDS you work 120 hours a month? IMHO, this is just a prelude to see how many people can work that many hours a month and not drop dead, then the building of lines will begin. It would save millions of dollars for the company to keep the work force low and the productivity high, but to what cost to you? Not trying to cause a flame, just wondering what the people are thinking.

 

[aislehopper]

As for being happy about Delta's new work rules: What will happen when the company DEMANDS you work 120 hours a month? IMHO, this is just a prelude to see how many people can work that many hours a month and not drop dead, then the building of lines will begin. It would save millions of dollars for the company to keep the work force low and the productivity high, but to what cost to you? Not trying to cause a flame, just wondering what the people are thinking.

IMHO, the chances of the company demanding that we work 120 hours is not likely to happen.

A lot of this information is still sketchy, but my information is that we are changing to a preferential bidding system. The lines we fly will be the ones built as the program goes through each of our individual. The line values are projected to be built at three levels. It will default to average, but we can specify 65 (low) 75 (average) and 85 (High).

Other reasons why I do not think that we will have too much time crammed down out throats - Sick costs will go up; Reliability will go down; Morale and customer service will suffer; and finally, the threat of a union.

Regarding what the people are thinking. The reserves are happy at more control over their income and time. The people that want to fly high time are happy becasuse they can increase their take home pay. The people who fly low time are happy for extra money for the same work.

The people who are complaining that it is all a pay cut are concentrating on vacation changes, authorized leave changes, and the additional hours that they will have to work to get the same pay (generally less than three for every 10 hours over 75)etc. They are not thinking (or have not thought of) the scenario where we end up working in a sweat shop.

Regards,
AH

 

[wrx]

the additional hours that they will have to work to get the same pay

Sounds like a paycut to me.

 

[aislehopper]

Sounds like a paycut to me.

To someone with limited grasp of the big picture, I'm sure it would.

 

[wrx]

AH,

Let me explain it to you in a better way. If you have to work more hours to make the same pay, that's a PAYCUT!!!! If you would quit drinking that sour-grape stuff, you would understand!

 

[aislehopper]

AH,

Let me explain it to you in a better way. If you have to work more hours to make the same pay, that's a PAYCUT!!!! If you would quit drinking that sour-grape stuff, you would understand!

Screaming paycut is a great slogan for the simple-minded, but it is only half the story.

What about those flight attendants who fly 74:59 and below? They are working less to make greater pay. That's a pay raise.

You see, when you only focus on the concepts that you understand, you miss the big picture.

That leads to flawed analysis and is intellectually lazy.

 

[wrx]

Screaming paycut is a great slogan for the simple-minded, but it is only half the story.

What about those flight attendants who fly 74:59 and below? They are working less to make greater pay. That's a pay raise.

You see, when you only focus on the concepts that you understand, you miss the big picture.

That leads to flawed analysis and is intellectually lazy.

Quit drinking the sour grape stuff, it's effecting your cells. It's not doing you justice! What else has Delta been feeding you guys? 🙄

If you're complaining about those who work 74:59 and they're making more, that's because your base is 75:00 hours! Every flight attendant who is on reserve gets a guaranteed base of 75:00 at Delta. This is why they work less and make more. Bid reserve and then you can work less and make more!! 😉

 

[aislehopper]

Quit drinking the sour grape stuff, it's effecting your cells. It's not doing you justice! What else has Delta been feeding you guys? 🙄

You mentioned sour grape stuff that is effecting [sic] my cells. I believe you are suggesting a post made on another board about a year ago. Is this the image from the post to which you are referring?

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[aislehopper]

If you're complaining about those who work 74:59 and they're making more, that's because your base is 75:00 hours! Every flight attendant who is on reserve gets a guaranteed base of 75:00 at Delta. This is why they work less and make more. Bid reserve and then you can work less and make more!! 😉

You need to master the basic concepts before you can move on to express more complex ideas.

Most basic of concepts is the correct use of terms. You seem to have confused some of the terms we use here at Delta.

Under our current system, our base salary is paid for the first 50 hours, not 75. Every reserve is guaranteed a certain sum every month. We call this the reserve guarantee. Typically, a reserve will break his or her guarantee somewhere around 73 hours.

Additionally, the new system will not have a reserve to bid. Everyone will have a line, and the bottom 25% of every base will have some Availability ("A")days. There will be no more reserve guarantee.

Again, it is important to master basic concepts before moving to complex ideas. To not do so is to take a short cut that can result in faulty analysis.

More or less, that is intellectually lazy.