FA TA voted down

[Toothy Grin]

Then, one is informed that one is selfish if one votes in one's own best interests. . . ???
It is truly sad that so many f/as have decided that their worth has a low ceiling. Maybe it really does. If you haven't pursued some kind of intellectual or skill advancement, those failed contracts really were the key to your future. Fine, but try to have tolerance for those of us who do have skills, and a life outside the airline, and know our worth, not to mention the current profit numbers of US.

some of us just flat out didn't want that many changes to our work-life balance.

G/P,

Perhaps the only SHORT answer I can provide to you is that when a person votes for a TA knowing full well that many others are barely living in below poverty wages, then yes, it is selfish to not vote for the TA especially when as you put it 'it is just too inconvenient for your tastes.' I shall also not forget to add that the self worth you propose, the expression of worth ala "let them eat cake" is what is truly devisive.

I stood to loose more than a few things, but still voted for it because thats what people who are self aware and have self esteem do. Seeking and needing your self esteem to be validated by money or contract rules should be the definition of zombie. Apparently, you and your supreme education must have missed out on the cause and negative effects of the human condition. There are some things that school just doesn't teach you. Apparently living in a religious center such as it is hasn't done much for spreading love everywhere.

"The love you take is equal to the love you make" ...one day you'll see, you'll know.

Until then, be happy knowing that you have kept a large amount of our flight attendents in poverty wages. ..just so your self esteem wouldn't take a beating and so that for the sake of convenience you wouldn't have to change your life one iota.

Your parents must be so proud of you.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

Let there be NO mistake.

TX(pITTbULL) is responsible for PBS.

She is responsible for letting PBS into our contract.

pITTbULL is responsible for PBS.

MM!

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

Who let PBS into our current contract ?

TX (pITTbULL) did.

By extension, CC is for PBS because she is pITTbULL's minion.

TX ran the show until JG out foxed her. Then she was gone.

CC must go.

MM!

 

[Toothy Grin]

Seriously?

Pitbull,

You opinion rates a complete "1 star out of 5 and only because I can't give you a zero", thumbs down, dislike & -1.

I'll say it again because you seem to be a little slow. Cathy in this stage of the 'game' is not to serve the CLT base in any sole capacity. There are and will continue to be memos stating "IN UNITITY" by all base Presidents. Anything other than this shows a lack of cohesion and fragmentation which doesn't exactly look great when you're trying to show the company just how seriously pissed you are.

Yet, apparently, you know of another game plan by CC something that has her saying she is working in unity for all flight attendants and then doing the exact opposite of what she believes needs to happen. Perhaps some sort of official exploration of the vote spread needs to happen.

" I am sure that if they didn't bring out the t/a, you would be on here spouting off how the MEC DENIED their members a chance to vote...and this is CC fault, blah, blah, blah crap again.
Well, you got the chance, and it failed."

Are you really this dense?


"THEIR voices have been heard loud and clear by the leadership and the mangement!"

Yes, and management yawned. So bored. So expected.

"That leads the union to the next course of action....vote on a strike."

Um, yeah. We're going to vote to strike and then what, get an immediate release? The voting results were far from a show of totality of strength, unless you are solely looking at the CLT base.

Were parked. You want a strike, but let us all know when it happens. The company is not losing sleep over this...or did YOU miss something?

 

[Sandy Eggo]

Watched the Phoenix Crew News Video, seemed to me that Doug Parker was trying to tell us something is really not his to tell us. Got my interest when he kept emphasizing that we had been told that there were serious ramifications for non-ratification.

His frustration was evident, both with the redundant AFA scripted statements/questions and with trying to make people realize that we either are, or will be put into lengthy recess very soon.

Because the usual actors took the stage no one got the opportunity to ask if we are in recess. Should I believe that the NMB, which made it clear before TA2 negotiations began, that it was ratification or recess, has not spoken to the matter with the AFA but Doug Parker seems confident? Because the Mods on the Facebook pages are now part of the process, no questioning of the current course is permissible.

Watched it a couple more times, Gets more sadly disturbing with each viewing.

I think the NDA expires soon, things will start to move. The Phoenix Flight Attendants are the deer in the headlights of this merger, and they can't say that no one tried to warn them. Legally, their asses are totally exposed. And yes, any LEC who didn't support the T/A from the minute AA declared BK, is responsible, and yet, they will still be employed. There's some solidarity for you.

No amount of pins and bag tags, pickets, strike votes and propaganda will magically take the place of sufficient scope protections.

This may end up being another one of those ugly episodes in airline history that could have been avoided. It can still be avoided if the AFA stops blowing smoke, sanction the right people, and motivate the Membership into saving itself. Anyone with even one molecule of business sense should be terrified of posturing taking the place of a solid agreement as we approach year end.

Watch the Crew News.

 

[johnny kat]

"IF" a merger is agreed to in the next little while...the AFA at US is finished. APFA will be the bargaining agent for the new AA,the current US F/A's concerns will be of little importance to the majority at AA.

We can all argue til the cows come home and it will not change things one iota. History will show that the most recent failed agreement was the US F/As last best chance to have a say in how things were going to go in a merger. By the time "Single carrier Status" is achieved, how much time will have elapsed? What amazes me is how many college educated, pedigreed, "A" list, smart, pretty F/As US seems to have that cannot grasp just how important the "Time Value of Money" concept is to the general financial well being of folks. I think the PHX F/As are just grasping the facts that they are the most harmed in the current scenario. How sad to have come this far only to have union politics at AFA litterally take food off the family table and deliver doubts about just where they will be placed in the event of a merger.

So, the real rub here is IMHO that there should be no merger with AA because at this point if it occurs it will grievoulsly harm the immediate financial concerns of the US F/As. The failed agreemant was going to be the catalyst to bridge over into a merger, now that it has failed that bridge becomes a canyon which most US folks cannot afford to bridge. A merger would only benefit the F/As at AA, because the smart well educated FA's at US cannot see the forest for the trees.

After a lenghty recess and scrubbed merger with AA maybe the US F/A's will finally have had enough with the concessionary contract and vote one in that will provide a little financial relief. Only it will still be less than what could have been possible with a merger with AA. The whole situation just stinks.

If the AFA leadership and the membership don't get a collective clue soon they are going to be swept up in events they have no control over.

 

[PITbull]

G/P,

Perhaps the only SHORT answer I can provide to you is that when a person votes for a TA knowing full well that many others are barely living in below poverty wages, then yes, it is selfish to not vote for the TA especially when as you put it 'it is just too inconvenient for your tastes.' I shall also not forget to add that the self worth you propose, the expression of worth ala "let them eat cake" is what is truly devisive.

I stood to loose more than a few things, but still voted for it because thats what people who are self aware and have self esteem do. Seeking and needing your self esteem to be validated by money or contract rules should be the definition of zombie. Apparently, you and your supreme education must have missed out on the cause and negative effects of the human condition. There are some things that school just doesn't teach you. Apparently living in a religious center such as it is hasn't done much for spreading love everywhere.

"The love you take is equal to the love you make" ...one day you'll see, you'll know.

Until then, be happy knowing that you have kept a large amount of our flight attendents in poverty wages. ..just so your self esteem wouldn't take a beating and so that for the sake of convenience you wouldn't have to change your life one iota.

Your parents must be so proud of you.

Folks have been so beaten down like yourself, you go on and on with the belief you really don't deserve anything...SO YOU GET NOTHING!!!!

MAJORITY RULES THE DAY, and the MAJORITY of the f/as voted the t/a down TWICE!!!!

"Those who give up liberty for a little safety; deserve neither liberty nor safety". Ben Franklin

 

[PITbull]

"IF" a merger is agreed to in the next little while...the AFA at US is finished. APFA will be the bargaining agent for the new AA,the current US F/A's concerns will be of little importance to the majority at AA.

We can all argue til the cows come home and it will not change things one iota. History will show that the most recent failed agreement was the US F/As last best chance to have a say in how things were going to go in a merger. By the time "Single carrier Status" is achieved, how much time will have elapsed? What amazes me is how many college educated, pedigreed, "A" list, smart, pretty F/As US seems to have that cannot grasp just how important the "Time Value of Money" concept is to the general financial well being of folks. I think the PHX F/As are just grasping the facts that they are the most harmed in the current scenario. How sad to have come this far only to have union politics at AFA litterally take food off the family table and deliver doubts about just where they will be placed in the event of a merger.

So, the real rub here is IMHO that there should be no merger with AA because at this point if it occurs it will grievoulsly harm the immediate financial concerns of the US F/As. The failed agreemant was going to be the catalyst to bridge over into a merger, now that it has failed that bridge becomes a canyon which most US folks cannot afford to bridge. A merger would only benefit the F/As at AA, because the smart well educated FA's at US cannot see the forest for the trees.

After a lenghty recess and scrubbed merger with AA maybe the US F/A's will finally have had enough with the concessionary contract and vote one in that will provide a little financial relief. Only it will still be less than what could have been possible with a merger with AA. The whole situation just stinks.

If the AFA leadership and the membership don't get a collective clue soon they are going to be swept up in events they have no control over.

And some can't see the forest or the trees.
If history is any predictor of how things will go if there would be a merger with this current management...it will take eons to complete and many years in litigation trying to combine all these labor groups and contracts into somthing that would be agreeable.

 

[PITbull]

You are responsible for PBS.

And you are a knuckle head extrordinaire. I would never agree to any provision that purposely eliminates jobs...and that is what PBS does. Thank Perry Hayes you then MEC!!!!!

. 🙄

 

[PITbull]

Imagine that. NOBILIZERS from PIT are always NO.

That's why PIT is so reviled. "My commute is worse than yours." Always.

PIT is dead and gone

You brought us PBS. Yes?

MM!

No...You did.

 

[PITbull]

Watched the Phoenix Crew News Video, seemed to me that Doug Parker was trying to tell us something is really not his to tell us. Got my interest when he kept emphasizing that we had been told that there were serious ramifications for non-ratification.

His frustration was evident, both with the redundant AFA scripted statements/questions and with trying to make people realize that we either are, or will be put into lengthy recess very soon.

Because the usual actors took the stage no one got the opportunity to ask if we are in recess. Should I believe that the NMB, which made it clear before TA2 negotiations began, that it was ratification or recess, has not spoken to the matter with the AFA but Doug Parker seems confident? Because the Mods on the Facebook pages are now part of the process, no questioning of the current course is permissible.

Watched it a couple more times, Gets more sadly disturbing with each viewing.

I think the NDA expires soon, things will start to move. The Phoenix Flight Attendants are the deer in the headlights of this merger, and they can't say that no one tried to warn them. Legally, their asses are totally exposed. And yes, any LEC who didn't support the T/A from the minute AA declared BK, is responsible, and yet, they will still be employed. There's some solidarity for you.

No amount of pins and bag tags, pickets, strike votes and propaganda will magically take the place of sufficient scope protections.

This may end up being another one of those ugly episodes in airline history that could have been avoided. It can still be avoided if the AFA stops blowing smoke, sanction the right people, and motivate the Membership into saving itself. Anyone with even one molecule of business sense should be terrified of posturing taking the place of a solid agreement as we approach year end.

Watch the Crew News.

STOP WATCHING THE VIDEO ALREADY!!!!!! Your like a Doug Parker magnet...believing and hanging on to every word h says...they guy was picked up for a DUI in 2006 (second time) and spent a night in the klinker!!!

You would think after TWO damn BK, 3 reconstructuring agreements, consolidations,PENSION LIABILITY DUMPING, billions of cost savings...that US Airways would be able to stand and this point and current day, on its feet and not think the ONLY BUSINESS PLAN is a merger with another BANKRUPT AIRLINE, for Pete's sakes already!!!!! Doug Paker had this airline handed to him gift wrapped coming out of BK with a clean financial balance sheet. What did he do with all this cost savings??????th it?????? NOTHING but look to merge with ANYONE!!!!! He tried for DL in 2006 offfering $11 Billion while they were in BK, then UNITED in 2010, holy moley again. HIS ENTIRE BUSINESS PLAN IS CONSOLIDATION.
The GUY needs to be fired by the BOD ASAP. He and his cronnies have absolutely NO other business plan. Now that should scare the hell out of all of you!

ARE YOU MANAGMENT ON HERE SPREADING THis DOOM????????

Your doom and gloom is the same mantra as it was when US Airways was in its own BK...."hurry up, sign, ratify, lions and tigers and bears, on my"!!!!!!! Douggie said this and Douggie said that,blah, blah, blah.

Get your shittttt together and grab a pair of balls already!

How is it that some folks live in fear of their jobs year, after year, after year, after year. Do you really, really, really, believe that THIS TIME, DOUG PARKER would have it right????????


STOP BLAMING LABOR, AFA, F/A, Pilots, Mother Theresa....

You would think that somewhere in this career equation you would take SOME GD CONTROL AND STOP BEING INTIMIDATED BY THE LIKES OF THE LCC MANAGMENT, FOR CRY'IN OUT LOUD!!!!!!

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

And you are a knuckle head extrordinaire. I would never agree to any provision that purposely eliminates jobs...and that is what PBS does. Thank Perry Hayes you then MEC!!!!!

. 🙄

You need to take credit where credit is due.

Are we asked to believe that YOU submitted to something you did not agree with?

YOU are responsible for PBS.

Own it.

CC must go.

MM!

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

I heard a lot of YES voters are talking about not supporting a strike vote.

Has anyone else heard this?

MM!

 

[Toothy Grin]

Folks have been so beaten down like yourself, you go on and on with the belief you really don't deserve anything...SO YOU GET NOTHING!!!!

MAJORITY RULES THE DAY, and the MAJORITY of the f/as voted the t/a down TWICE!!!!

"Those who give up liberty for a little safety; deserve neither liberty nor safety". Ben Franklin

I had written a longer reply to you, but decided your just not worth it.

Anyway, beaten down? Excuse me, Pitbull, I didn't leave US in a huff, YOU apparently did, REEEEEMEMBER!!!!! LOL

You can go on and on about how the majority voted down the TA twice all you want. It doesn't change the 'evil' and selfish intent...deliberate decision made to keep the quality of many fas lives in a state of misery. You go on as though a majority decision is right. This 'well everyone else is doing it so it must be right' is the strip mall mentality that pervades this planet.

At some point in your life I hope you are able to evolve and mature. There are many, many scientists, doctors and independent researchers such as myself who know that harmful actions such as this vote hurt everyone. Life is is not about being the best or winning it is about being self aware. The majority of this planet are classified as useless breeders and eaters anyway.

The B/Franklin quote is a joke. You don't even understand the secondary meaning or its implications. BTW, how many dead bodies did they find under his house anyway?

There is an almost endless volume of literature extolling the virtues of lending a hand to your fellow man...you may know "A Christmas Carol"...remember it well, there were spiritual consequences to this vote. You can laugh and scoff it off all you want, that's just your foolish pride and ignorance showing. I truly feel so sorry for you as a catalyst for no votes and the others who actually voted no. Try to remember, that this strength of a majority that you keep trumpeting around is meaningless, when in the end it is you alone that must answer to and relive the pain and suffering your choices have had upon others. To make it even clearer, a person either voted to keep people suffering or not. You either hurt others by keeping them impoverished among other things or you helped yourself by keeping things status quo because your ego couldn't handle it and/or because you're comfort level would be impinged upon.

You are indeed zombies.

 

[Toothy Grin]

Watched the Phoenix Crew News Video, seemed to me that Doug Parker was trying to tell us something is really not his to tell us. Got my interest when he kept emphasizing that we had been told that there were serious ramifications for non-ratification.

His frustration was evident, both with the redundant AFA scripted statements/questions and with trying to make people realize that we either are, or will be put into lengthy recess very soon.

Because the usual actors took the stage no one got the opportunity to ask if we are in recess. Should I believe that the NMB, which made it clear before TA2 negotiations began, that it was ratification or recess, has not spoken to the matter with the AFA but Doug Parker seems confident? Because the Mods on the Facebook pages are now part of the process, no questioning of the current course is permissible.

Watched it a couple more times, Gets more sadly disturbing with each viewing.

I think the NDA expires soon, things will start to move. The Phoenix Flight Attendants are the deer in the headlights of this merger, and they can't say that no one tried to warn them. Legally, their asses are totally exposed. And yes, any LEC who didn't support the T/A from the minute AA declared BK, is responsible, and yet, they will still be employed. There's some solidarity for you.

No amount of pins and bag tags, pickets, strike votes and propaganda will magically take the place of sufficient scope protections.

This may end up being another one of those ugly episodes in airline history that could have been avoided. It can still be avoided if the AFA stops blowing smoke, sanction the right people, and motivate the Membership into saving itself. Anyone with even one molecule of business sense should be terrified of posturing taking the place of a solid agreement as we approach year end.

Watch the Crew News.

Sandy you're right, unfortunately.

I can't wait to see the CLT crew news. During all of this what have the CLT fa's ever done in a crew news except complain about no glassware in F.C.