Five escorted out in TUL

[Hopeful]

People in the professional world (I work in financial services) do not dose off while working and our duties are work hours are less defined and provide a greater degree of variance than typically found in a union shop.

And you know this for certain? You know for sure every so called professional yuppie NEVER EVER SLEPT OR SLEEPS ON THE JOB?


ARE YOU 100% SURE?
Those that do not sneak a nap in at work probably don't have to because they have no clue what is to work past 5pm when they're partaking in some happy hour somewhere.
And the only time they doze off at 3am is when it's last call some where and not spending the 5th hour of their shifts in a fuel tank.

 

[nbmcg01]

As stated upthread it appears they were cleaners.
Straight from Merriam Webster dictionary: (adjective) b : lacking interest or dignity <a menial task>

If the subject workers were mechanics (please pardon me if I'm not using the politically correct term) I wouldn't have made that reference. Besides sowing off on the job is the single biggest testament to how little interest and pride they take in the work they perform!

And yes, your "brothers and sisters" DO sleep while on-duty whether on contractually permissible flights with designated crewrest areas or like several weeks ago on AA 276 LAX-MIA.

Josh




People in the professional world (I work in financial services) do not dose off while working and our duties are work hours are less defined and provide a greater degree of variance than typically found in a union shop.

Oh really...lol Sure they don't. (although it is a little harder to doze in a cube farm) I remember my first "introduction" to an AA FSM in STL. When I came into the office after a flight to report an issue, who was sound asleep in her cube S******..lol I guess she was suprised f/as actually came into the blessed domaine of the FSMs. People doze, it happens, it is human nature. Unless you are in a super sensitive, critical job function it should not be a terminating offense (unless it is a regular occurance). Next time they should use the old f/a reply: As you raise your head say, "Oh, I wasn't aware praying was not allowed".

 

[Duke787]

Please stop defending guys sleeping at work, you make us and all union people look bad.

 

[BigMac]

As well as all human beings I suppose?
It's hard to be humble when your perfect in everyway..huh hoss?

 

[Duke787]

These 5 were A/C cleaners making an average of 12 dollars an hour.
Not near the $75+ I seen in an earlier post.
So how does one determine which job is more important..mowing lawns for 50 bucks a lawn but no insurance, making 10 an hour at McDonald's part time w/ no insurance or working for AA as an A/C cleaner for 12 an hour with high cost insurance?
Can anyone live with one job @ 12 an hour? This is the reason they had two and three jobs. Some of these guys have A&P's that were affected by 9/11 and are awaiting recalls making no license premiums like the affected A&P's in the OSM position.

AA is NOT a socialist entity, and should expect production from an employee when they are being paid. In 2003 our union voted in the MOAC now we have to live with that decision or move on. Those guys that got laid off from AA and want to work as an A&P should move on or adjust their life style. Eagle is hiring for $16 an hour starting, tops out at $26.50.

Or is it a case of nobody wants to leave the big AA security blanket.

Remember AA is not a charitable organization, it's a business.

 

[Duke787]

As well as all human beings I suppose?
It's hard to be humble when your perfect in everyway..huh hoss?

I can do what I'm assigned to do and I can stay awake for 8.5 hours.....chief <_<

 

[BigMac]

I can do what I'm assigned to do and I can stay awake for 8.5 hours.....chief <_<

And here I thought you may me a management puppet, But you must be human.
I am Native American and by you calling me "chief" you just violated Article 32.
Shall we walk you to the gate sir ?

 

[Bob Owens]

People in the professional world (I work in financial services) do not dose off while working and our duties are work hours are less defined and provide a greater degree of variance than typically found in a union shop.

People in this industry do not dose off, we have drug testing, but I'll bet people in your industry do doze off once in a while like anybody else. As far as the variance in hours we work 24-7-365, you cant vary much more than that.

Try working from 10pm to 7:30 am for a year or two then come back and tell me that you never dozed off. If not at work then on the drive home.

 

[TWU informer]

I sit here dozing off trying to keep up with a thread with people arguing about dozing off at work. One group I never see dozing off on the job is the massive number of hispanics that have come to the USA to work. No wonder business owners prefer them over natives. Regardless of right or wrong definitions, these job seekers seem to have a much different work ethic than those of us spoiled by US worker success.

 

[Duke787]

And here I thought you may me a management puppet, But you must be human.
I am Native American and by you calling me "chief" you just violated Article 32.
Shall we walk you to the gate sir ?

No offense meant.........Ace.......



Not a mamber of management, just a mechanic with a good work ethic.

 

[BigMac]

I just cannot justify the fact that these guys were told by the supervisor to be on stand-by until their plane hit the washrack.
Then walks them out for supposedly nodding off. Btw their plane never arrived and all midnights work had been completed the previous day.
So asking to do another job was not an issue.
Gotta agree with you informer on some in the US are lazy, but have you ever watched these A/C cleaners ?
Should we farm all our labor out to Mexico?
108 on the wrack with 115 heat index and add another 20 for full ppe.
Btw the temp on the wrack last year was messured @ 140.
Not that it makes this group any better than any other...just saying.
They get their jobs done and do what they are told..
They were on stand-by for crying out loud.
Maybe I'm just being bias then because some of these guys were my friends.
Hell I dunno...I'll get off my soap box now

 

[737823]

And you know this for certain? You know for sure every so called professional yuppie NEVER EVER SLEPT OR SLEEPS ON THE JOB?


ARE YOU 100% SURE?
Those that do not sneak a nap in at work probably don't have to because they have no clue what is to work past 5pm when they're partaking in some happy hour somewhere.
And the only time they doze off at 3am is when it's last call some where and not spending the 5th hour of their shifts in a fuel tank.

First I don't work in a cubicle and there were no 'keystrokes' taking place. The post was reference was made while I was sitting at the JFK Admirals club flying to LAX on my iPhone .

I'm not 100% sure they fell asleep as I was likely at home in Boston (ironically I was probably asleep in my own bed!!!!) when the incident occurred, have never been, and have no intention of visiting TUL. But how would I go against anything a union member reports?

'Yuppies' don't sleep on jobs because unlike union folk we're at will employees and are actually held accountable for our actions! The subject employees chose to work those hours while not directly perhaps as they were deemed too junior to obtain a more desirable shift, but if the hours are so bad they could have quit. I'm not an hourly worker-I'm salaried plus incentive pay. In fact the majority of my pay is incentive and stock based-not straight salary. I do have a clue what it is to work past 5pm. Im often at work after hours and meeting with clients during time I'm not being paid directly for. As for being sleep deprived, because of the nature of my job and travel required I'm often forced to sleep at hotels, and onboard your flights. I know all about that.

As for your experience with the FSM (flight service manager??) that doesn't surprise me one bit. I empathize for the employees. I see how AA treats me as a customer and I can only imagine how they treat their employees, however it seems employees are regarded better than customers by management in my experience. I was in STL earlier month flying DCA-STL-SEA (can't believe they still fly to Seattle and Washington DC from St. Louis, thought the hub was downsized many years ago and closed earlier this year) and seeing how much of a ghost town that place has become I'll agree its difficult NOT falling asleep while there, but its not an unreasonable expectation.

Josh

 

[nbmcg01]

First I don't work in a cubicle and there were no 'keystrokes' taking place. The post was reference was made while I was sitting at the JFK Admirals club flying to LAX on my iPhone .

I'm not 100% sure they fell asleep as I was likely at home in Boston (ironically I was probably asleep in my own bed!!!!) when the incident occurred, have never been, and have no intention of visiting TUL. But how would I go against anything a union member reports?

'Yuppies' don't sleep on jobs because unlike union folk we're at will employees and are actually held accountable for our actions! The subject employees chose to work those hours while not directly perhaps as they were deemed too junior to obtain a more desirable shift, but if the hours are so bad they could have quit. I'm not an hourly worker-I'm salaried plus incentive pay. In fact the majority of my pay is incentive and stock based-not straight salary. I do have a clue what it is to work past 5pm. Im often at work after hours and meeting with clients during time I'm not being paid directly for. As for being sleep deprived, because of the nature of my job and travel required I'm often forced to sleep at hotels, and onboard your flights. I know all about that.

As for your experience with the FSM (flight service manager??) that doesn't surprise me one bit. I empathize for the employees. I see how AA treats me as a customer and I can only imagine how they treat their employees, however it seems employees are regarded better than customers by management in my experience. I was in STL earlier month flying DCA-STL-SEA (can't believe they still fly to Seattle and Washington DC from St. Louis, thought the hub was downsized many years ago and closed earlier this year) and seeing how much of a ghost town that place has become I'll agree its difficult NOT falling asleep while there, but its not an unreasonable expectation.

Josh

Josh, this is becoming theatre of the absurd. I am a manager (no longer AA thank God) and while I have an extraordinary staff, I find your observations about "yuppies" laughable. Sense of entitlement yes, work ethic, marginal at best for most, and that certainly is not owned by union members. I think it is more generational. While I am no longer employed by AA, I'm sorry you have had poor customer service. Just as you state someone has a choice of where to work, you have a choice of whom to fly. Personally, I prefer SWA,DAL and CAL. As I now fly as a full fare passenger, (with 40 years or inside knowledge), I am amazed at the service barriers placed for front line staff. Most airlines set the customer up for unfulfilled expectations. And more so, I'm often embarrassed by the demands of the customer who wants to fly for "free" and receive blue ribbon service. But I digress, IF one of my staff happened to doze off, I certainly would not terminate them. I appreciate their work, their service to others, their willingness to go beyond expectations and the human factor. But then, I work in social services, which I'm betting you would discount as not as "important" as someone in the financial sector.