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The IAM reps are back from PHX and the message is clear , the company doesn't respect us ! The offer to us is a 10 % raise over 5 years.The class 2 cities and the America West would come up to the class 1 pay.But if you are in a class 1 station you get a 34 cent per hour raise.
The kicker is that the rest of the contract was ignored , 5 paid holidays , the horrible sick policy and nothing on the vacation.
The holiday season is going to be ugly.One thought to PArker , show us some respect and give us a decent contract.A top offed Southwest agent makes $7.00 per hour more than us and they make money.
This management team is greedier than anyone that we have seen 1
 
The IAM reps are back from PHX and the message is clear , the company doesn't respect us ! The offer to us is a 10 % raise over 5 years.The class 2 cities and the America West would come up to the class 1 pay.But if you are in a class 1 station you get a 34 cent per hour raise.
The kicker is that the rest of the contract was ignored , 5 paid holidays , the horrible sick policy and nothing on the vacation.
The holiday season is going to be ugly.One thought to PArker , show us some respect and give us a decent contract.A top offed Southwest agent makes $7.00 per hour more than us and they make money.
This management team is greedier than anyone that we have seen 1

Cost neutral = effort neutral. Hypothetically speaking, if a connects runner "accidentally" puts the wrong bags on the belt, I may "accidentally" stack those bags in the bin and they could end up in the wrong city.
 
....and the iam was expecting any more from the company, have'nt they dealt with airlines for years and knew what to expect... come on now iam tell us this before hand, you know what is going to happen.....
 
Word from the hubs downstairs. The mother off all meltdowns is comming.
If you plan to travel keep your luggage with you.
 
Cost neutral = effort neutral. Hypothetically speaking, if a connects runner "accidentally" puts the wrong bags on the belt, I may "accidentally" stack those bags in the bin and they could end up in the wrong city.

Isn't there a better way to make your point without "accidently" messing with people's luggage?
 
The IAM reps are back from PHX and the message is clear , the company doesn't respect us ! The offer to us is a 10 % raise over 5 years.The class 2 cities and the America West would come up to the class 1 pay.But if you are in a class 1 station you get a 34 cent per hour raise.
The kicker is that the rest of the contract was ignored , 5 paid holidays , the horrible sick policy and nothing on the vacation.
The holiday season is going to be ugly.One thought to PArker , show us some respect and give us a decent contract.A top offed Southwest agent makes $7.00 per hour more than us and they make money.
This management team is greedier than anyone that we have seen 1

Now that is more specific. The system has heard of the $19 that was offered but what I don't believe the system knew was that it would be staggered over 5 years. Thanks for flushing that out for us.
$19.08 hr, 5 years from now is showing little to no respect to the hard working men and women of your airline and is only representative of a fledging bankrupt airline...which US AIRWAYS is not. The hard workers of this airline, gave everything they had and that single action was the primary reason why this airline is still in the air. Hopefully, your management will be wise enough to treat these human beings in a fair and equitable way. IMO, your company can't possibly think for one minute that its wage offer [as you represented it] is remotely acceptable and I assume this is just a real low ball initial position unless greed has continued to close off the ears & eyes of management. I did hear reports that are contrary to what you said about your company's position on vacation and holidays/sick time though.

As aside, I don't see any reason to threaten an 'ugly' season as you did in your post. Although I agree respect might not be currently shown towards the workers, I don't think it necessarily follows that respect should be withheld from workers to management.

I think professionalism, doing your job as best you can, and showing management respect is a high stance and worthy of respect coming back at you. Showing others respect should stand unconditionally and independent from their actions towards you.
Don't be resentful, be positive and think on good things and take the high road.
If you try collectively, then it is my opinion that such a position would contain incredible and uncommon power. What power is there in public statements about 'things are going to get ugly'? Those type of comments are common, destructive and not worthy of any respect as far as I'm concerned. Who's going to give a bunch of punks a fair deal?
I don't think any good can come out of this ugliness you speak of.

In the meantime, the IAM's job will be to build solidarity, not by saying 'screw this worker' or 'screw that city' but by being powerful enough to include all members. Afterall, solidarity is wanted by all in a union. To this date, the IAM has had difficulty getting its leaders to understand their responsibility to this end.

What I would initially like to hear from the IAM is a statement to its members to encourage its members to keep doing the great job they have been doing. If things get ugly around the holidays, it should never be because of the workers. But if workers are publically saying 'things are going to get ugly' then they only have themselves to blame when management points the finger and blames any future ugliness on workers, when in fact it may be equipment problems or resource management's problem.

In conclusion, I will say that I do think the environment is right for the IAM to enhance solidarity and that 'currently' much more solidarity exist than in previous times.

regards,
 
Hypothetically speaking, if a connects runner "accidentally" puts the wrong bags on the belt, I may "accidentally" stack those bags in the bin and they could end up in the wrong city.

Anyone who intentionally lets bags go to the wrong city should be terminated.

If a point needs to be made then just follow the rules (work safe) and don't volunteer for any overtime. PHL will implode if these two simple things are done, and there is nothing "wrong" with doing either. Working safe should always be done, and hey, who doesn't want to be home with the family during the holiday season instead of picking up extra shifts?
 
The holiday season is going to be ugly.One thought to PArker , show us some respect and give us a decent contract.A top offed Southwest agent makes $7.00 per hour more than us and they make money.
This management team is greedier than anyone that we have seen 1
Thanks for the heads up on the holidays. Maybe a media outlet will pick this thread up and run a story in the hub cities that tells people another Christmas Meltdown "may be in the works". That way nobody will have to worry about turning down overtime pay when the loads are lighter than normal. Good idea, Hack. I'm sure you also speak for your thousands of union brothers and sisters, too, huh?

Southwest makes money for different reasons than paying an agent $7/hr more than US, although I'd like to see a real side-by-side comparison of wages than a generalization like that. Are you saying all agents at LUV across the board are making $7/hr more than their identical counterpart at U?

Also, LUV doesn't have an intl. network and infrastructure that LCC has. Period. Their profits will probably start to thin out a bit as their fuel hedging contracts end and they need to continue to expand into more "traditional" airports that they've avoided for cost reasons. Their happy workforce has no reason to go work for any other airline, so they too will continue to mature and, with that, bring on higher labor costs.
 
:down: I know how frustrated the arena of negotiations
can be. The story of another melt down has to consider all the options. The passengers do not deserve to be punished if anyone out there in any bargaining group thinks that this is a way to have your voices heard I really feel sorry for all of us. This is unforgivable Yes!!!!!!!we all want better contracts and we need to regain our dignity and put ethics back into the work place.Start by making your employee group be part of a Team do not be tricked into self destruction..Just my thoughts
 
Other that they pay issue, do you have any other info? Many others are interested in the Outsourcing issue, and the pay rates of those on furlough who may want to return. 🙁
 
Other that they pay issue, do you have any other info? Many others are interested in the Outsourcing issue, and the pay rates of those on furlough who may want to return. 🙁

I heard that the recognition and scope that was proposed by the company redefined class 1 with less flights per week and the result was many more class 1 cities. All try getting the exact number. Some of what I heard seemed to be contradicted by hack so maybe my source isn't as accurate. Hack implied vacation, holidays weren't enhanced by the company. My believable source said the company gave back a full proposal that addressed holidays and vacation in a way that improved both.

How bout an IAM update? I mean the IAM has been good about putting out all the company openers but when there is negotiatons movement it seems the IAM clams up. In the meantime I will dig for more info since the IAM's stance always seems to be 'can't tell ya'.

regards,
 
Any word regarding restoring fleet recall rights, and making it retroactive to those furloughed in 2005?

"In the meantime, the IAM's job will be to build solidarity, not by saying 'screw this worker' or 'screw that city' but by being powerful enough to include all members."

Tim, that's a wicked dry sense of humor you got there - cracked me up! B)

I'm guessing:

1. Fleet will remain the only represented group without recall rights

2. There will be no substantial change from the IAM-East contract until the amendable date.

3. Enough class II cities will be flipped to class I to carry the vote.
 
The company doesn't repect their employees. Anyone with over 15 years is looked down on. Crellin is leaving ( may he rest in peace ), Hemenway and Parker would love to contract out most labor. It will be a long holiday season.

Operationally ....we're a mess.
 
Any word regarding restoring fleet recall rights, and making it retroactive to those furloughed in 2005?

"In the meantime, the IAM's job will be to build solidarity, not by saying 'screw this worker' or 'screw that city' but by being powerful enough to include all members."

Tim, that's a wicked dry sense of humor you got there - cracked me up! B)

I'm guessing:

1. Fleet will remain the only represented group without recall rights

2. There will be no substantial change from the IAM-East contract until the amendable date.

3. Enough class II cities will be flipped to class I to carry the vote.

Haven't heard anything about the final definition of what seniority means, how many types of seniority we may have, or recall rights for furloughed US East workers. I have a bad feeling about these two items but hopefully the IAM cleans things up on these two points. I know, that does sound humorous but gosh we have to at least hope even if the workers have a knife [insert IAM] in a gunfight.
Also, hope everything's going well with you.

regards,
 

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