Fly AA or Jet Blue

[Barfbag]

I would rather give the money to jet blue.

To me, Jetblue represents all the reasons why the airline industry lost hundreds of thousands or good paying wage jobs, and replaced with lower paid, or out-sourced jobs.

Jetblue is heavily subsidized, by receiving favorable tax advantages in New York State.

In other words, residents of New York State are paying for your discount.

Enjoy your flight.

 

[TWAnr]

To me, Jetblue represents all the reasons why the airline industry lost hundreds of thousands or good paying wage jobs, and replaced with lower paid, or out-sourced jobs.

The ultimate irony is that in a roundabout way, TIME FOR CHANGE is supporting outsourcing his own job to El Salvador.

JetBlue, a low-cost carrier, will outsource 80 percent of the maintenance of its aircraft to El Salvador...

The Dallas Morning News

 

[777 fixer]

Its not screw everyone else its screw AA. They have been screwing me so now I would rather give my money to someone else other than AA.

This statement shows how delusional you really are. So in the process of "screwing" AA you screw over your fellow AMT here in the states. Good job TFC.

 

[777 fixer]

My point about the grocery store is your outrageous rant about buying everything in life that is union. Just because the produce guy is non union doesnt mesn I am not going to buy my grocerys there. Where do you draw the line. A plane ticket well good for you.
You point out what ever you have to I will get buy just fine...

My "outrageous rant" about buying union? Where did I say you have to buy everything union? Before you go asking me where I draw the line maybe you should ask yourself the same question.

As far as outsourcing goes I am against it....

This statement makes you a two faced liar. Your actions and words prove this. In a previous post I said "But you don't care if the guy working on the plane you are about to get on is union or even in this country." In reponse you said "I must not because I am flying Jet Blue".

I have said it before the only reason AA doesnt do it is because it is cheaper and mor profitable to do it in house.
Especially at the twu wage scale

Cheaper than what the wage rates, overhead, benefits etc are in third world country? I bet you would have a hard time proving that. Why do you think Jetblue sent their planes to El Salvador to begin with? Because it cost them more?

When the twu starts to support its members and bring us out of 1980 wages I will think about supporting them

Traslation "Screw eveybody else, even those in my own profession."

I am pro union also.

Once again your actions and words say otherwise.

I am pro union also.
This isnt the first chance I have had to throw money at a non union competitor. But when the ticket price that is supposedly a discounted ticket price for employees is actually not. I would rather give the money to someone else.

This is what I'm talking about. You say your pro union but in the same breath you talk about "throwing money" at a non-union compeitior? And why, all over a matter of two dollars. Tell you what, don't evr complain about the flying pulbic wanting to fly for free.

 

[777 fixer]

Why am I not surprised that the votes for this thread are in agreement with me.
😉

My guess is that you are not the only two faced hypocrite on this message board. Let's face it, if you’re an AA AMT and you voted Fly Jet Blue that's exactly what you are.

 

[Bob Owens]

The ultimate irony is that in a roundabout way, TIME FOR CHANGE is supporting outsourcing his own job to El Salvador.

Not really, he is a line mechanic and OH jobs are the ones going to El Salvador. Jet Blue has Line Mechanics in NY, in fact a few of them are mechanics that quit AA to go there.

The sad fact is that Line mechanics wages are negatively impacted by having OH in the US when the two groups are combined under one contract like at AA.

Both the company and the union said that the reason why line mechanics at AA took such drastic paycuts was to save OH. How did that help Line Mechanics? When AA mechanics say "look at what SWA pays" both the union and the company (as if there is a difference) say "Thats because SWA doesnt have OH."

So tell me, why shouldnt line mechanics hope to see all OH outsourced to third world countries? They would see their pay go up and the inferior work they put out in those foreign countries would drive up OT. The likelyhood of a massive migration from OH to the line is unlikely since it would not be temporary. Most OH could not afford to transfer.

 

[FA Mikey]

So only certain union jobs are worth protecting. For all your talk of unionism and strength in numbers, you are quite willing to throw others right under the bus.

 

[eolesen]

So tell me, why shouldnt line mechanics hope to see all OH outsourced to third world countries? They would see their pay go up and the inferior work they put out in those foreign countries would drive up OT. The likelyhood of a massive migration from OH to the line is unlikely since it would not be temporary. Most OH could not afford to transfer.

And yet you try to portray yourself as an advocate for the working man and a safety professional???

It's no wonder you got kicked out of office, Bob.

 

[FWAAA]

Not really, he is a line mechanic and OH jobs are the ones going to El Salvador. Jet Blue has Line Mechanics in NY, in fact a few of them are mechanics that quit AA to go there.

A very good reason for paying the line maintenance guys in high-cost cities a much higher wage than the OH guys living in lower-cost areas like TUL, MCI and DFW. In fact, I've posted exactly that more than once. And as you've pointed out - the substandard line maintenance wages tends to cause the better AMTs to leave AA, lowering the relative brilliance of those who remain.

The sad fact is that Line mechanics wages are negatively impacted by having OH in the US when the two groups are combined under one contract like at AA.

I agree. I can't fathom why the line guys ever agreed to pay that was no more than that received by the OH guys.

Both the company and the union said that the reason why line mechanics at AA took such drastic paycuts was to save OH. How did that help Line Mechanics? When AA mechanics say "look at what SWA pays" both the union and the company (as if there is a difference) say "Thats because SWA doesnt have OH."

I agree that your interests don't line up at all with those of the OH guys, like TWU Informer. Quite simply, if there was any fairness, you'd be making more like $100k and he (and all others in the low-cost areas) would be making $50k or so. But you're all shackled together in a single union. For many years, the OH guys have pulled you down and you've brought them up. Recently, Informer posted that pre-concessions, there were guys in TUL making $85k to $90k including overtime. Just doesn't make sense for AA to pay that much to a bunch of guys in the plains whose jobs are so easy to perform in El Salvador, Mobile, AL or in the Far East.

So tell me, why shouldnt line mechanics hope to see all OH outsourced to third world countries? They would see their pay go up and the inferior work they put out in those foreign countries would drive up OT. The likelyhood of a massive migration from OH to the line is unlikely since it would not be temporary. Most OH could not afford to transfer.

Good point - I can understand that motivation.

Still - like laughing at a UAW member who drives a piece of crap assembled in Korea - pointing out hypocrisy (like when a union member is proud of buying from the non-union competition) is irresistable.

 

[777 fixer]

Not really, he is a line mechanic and OH jobs are the ones going to El Salvador. Jet Blue has Line Mechanics in NY, in fact a few of them are mechanics that quit AA to go there.

Are you actually naive enough to believe that just because you are a line mechanic you are somehow immune to outsourcing. I wonder how many people in other professions thought that way only to see their jobs go bye bye.

Why don't you look up the percentage for international flights AA flies today compared to ten years ago. Guess what, it's gone up. With the number of flights to the far east increasing I wonder how long it's going to be some bean counter proposes checks be done in places like China or India. Next thing you know the company comes up to you and says "Well since we are not doing as many checks your services are no longer needed". Or is the fact that you have 20+ years seniority makes you think that won't happen to you? If this is the case that shows your attitude is basically to hell with everyone else.

 

[777 fixer]

So tell me, why shouldnt line mechanics hope to see all OH outsourced to third world countries? They would see their pay go up and the inferior work they put out in those foreign countries would drive up OT. The likelyhood of a massive migration from OH to the line is unlikely since it would not be temporary. Most OH could not afford to transfer.

Lets say you get your wish and all AA overhaul goes to third world countries. Here's what’s going to happen. You seem to have deluded yourself into thinking that most of them will stay in Tulsa. In the past when layoffs have occurred that's what a lot of them have done. However if there are no jobs in TUL to get recalled to what do think a lot of them will do? My money is that a lot of them will bid the system. First on the list would be probably be DFW since it's close to TUL and it's cheaper than the other class one stations. So if you are an AMT at DFW you had better stand by.

Before you say that they won't go to high cost of living areas you might want to consider this. Do you think that all the people who live in HCOLA can afford to live there? No they cannot but they do anyway. If they work at LAX they live in places like Palmdale and drive the 1.5-2 hours to work. If they work at ORD they live in Wisconsin and do the same. If they work at SFO they live in Modesto and drive in.

Here's another reason why your logic is flawed. Quite simply it's basic economics. There are 3746 Title 1 AMT's at TUL. That's not including the licensed mechanics that bumped into the OSM shops. Now if all these guys hit the streets that means there are thousands more unemployed AMT's on top of the thousands already unemployed. Basic economics say that if there is an over supply of something prices go down. So when you go to the company and say "I want more money" don't be surprised if this happens. "Gee we just got rid of OH and there are a lot of guys looking for work, just like there were a lot of guys looking for work before the AMFA strike". Basically they will be saying take it or leave it if you don't like it to bad.

 

[Bill]

If this is the case that shows your attitude is basically to hell with everyone else.

BINGO!!!!!

 

[TWU informer]

If this is the case that shows your attitude is basically to hell with everyone else.

That has been the Tulsa Base Officer Attitude and the members that follow them attitude also for sometime.

That is why Local 514 and all of Organized Labor is so weak.

Because today's society is all about "ME" syndrome and to hell with everyone else.

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

To me, Jetblue represents all the reasons why the airline industry lost hundreds of thousands or good paying wage jobs, and replaced with lower paid, or out-sourced jobs.

Jetblue is heavily subsidized, by receiving favorable tax advantages in New York State.

In other words, residents of New York State are paying for your discount.

Enjoy your flight.

Just got back from NYC today I have to say it was a beautiful weekend in NY. It made me want to move back it was so nice. 75 and sunny Fri Sat Sun and Mon

The flight was great curbside checked bags and stroll on the flight. Direct TV watched the history channel and food network coming and going. Even caught an episode of "Pimp My Ride"

Going back up in December. Lets see what kind of deal AA offers its employees to fly on AA

B) B)

 

[777 fixer]

Just got back from NYC today I have to say it was a beautiful weekend in NY. It made me want to move back it was so nice. 75 and sunny Fri Sat Sun and Mon

The flight was great curbside checked bags and stroll on the flight. Direct TV watched the history channel and food network coming and going. Even caught an episode of "Pimp My Ride"

Going back up in December. Lets see what kind of deal AA offers its employees to fly on AA

B) B)

Looking at the loads it looks like you could have flown non-rev on about every JFK or LGA flight to MIA today. But I guess you really wanted to show AA over a matter of four dollars.

P.S. Don't forget that you have preety much given up the right to talk about the plight of the AMT. Enjoy your next trip.